All right, well, that brings us to the present and to the future. So we are now currently, um, at the very beginning of the next Pluto and Aquarius period. And Pluto first dipped into Aquarius last year in 2023. It first moved into Aquarius in March, and it went

in very briefly for a few months, and then Pluto retrograded back into Capricorn. And now, later this month, Pluto's about to enter Aquarius again. Um, so I forgot to give the date for this. So we're recording this on Monday, January 8th,

2024. We started at what, like 2:45 or something about that, maybe 2:40, yeah, p.m. in Denver, Colorado. And um, later this month on January 20th, Pluto's about to go back into Aquarius. It's going to retrograde back out this summer and

and go back into Capricorn. But then, later this year in November of 2024, Pluto's going to move into Aquarius again, and then it's going to stay there for the next 20 years, all the way until 2044. So um, we're looking at another

Pluto in Aquarius period. So I'd like to spend this last section summarizing some of what we learned and some of the takeaways from some of the past ones, um, and then see if we can take from that and anticipate how some past trends from

history are becoming or will become relevant again for us today over the next 20 years. So um, things that I wrote down in notes of summaries: one, the utilization of technological advancements in order to have power and control, um, in addition to that, the power that technology, knowledge, and

information has so these are all themes that were present in many of our previous examples um that I think are are clearly becoming relevant again today right oh well yeah no question about it all right um other than that let's see so the uh another one that was

important is vast repositories of information that are under the control of centralized authorities M um how how developments in technology can shape and transform Society in different ways so we saw that with um paper we saw that with uh gunpowder we also saw that with

things like um how the printing press and the increase of printing in books also affected things during the Reformation and started causing um changes in like religion and things like that sure or inventions like the cotton gin creating you know slavery on a scale the world had not quite

seen right um another theme that kept coming up is uh technological transfer from foreign or um relatively speaking like alien cultures which has a profound transformative impact on society politics and power um so for example you know the a technology that's already developed by another culture

like with the Chinese spending centuries developing gunpowder for Europeans inherited it around 1300 um or even like um silk and silk orbs and how that had been refined and developed in China for millennia before being eventually transmitted or or stolen by the

West um there's also possibly something about the idea of what it means to be foreign or alien in general becoming relevant again both in the sense of AI the emergence of artificial intelligence and creating a new sentient species on Earth which is essentially what if if people if scientists are capable or are

successful in creating artificial intelligence or artificial general intelligence, that's what that would be, is like creating another sentient species on Earth. Um, but even aside from that, maybe even alien life being found, even in microbial form, in other places in our solar system or perhaps beyond. Even the recognition of animals as

being more sentient than humans often give them credit for, as new AI technologies are developed to help us better understand how they communicate. There's something about, like, the idea of foreignness, of alienness and alien technology, and the exposure to that that seems like it's a recurrent theme of

Pluto and Aquarius, and it's something I'm starting to see discussions about over the past year um that are very um suggestive. I think, yeah, I mean that would be pretty wild if AI taught us how to communicate with dolphins and octopus and, and you know,

primates perhaps, um, and um yeah, yeah, I mean just you know there's there's all kinds of things that are seeming science fiction but you know are probably on the verge of becoming real. Yeah, it's something I've been thinking about recently, which is look like in different

places in the animal kingdom, if you look at them collectively, it's like animals have reflected so much of the full range of human emotions in different ways, um, but humans don't often um focus on that or, like, most humans don't often fully think

about the implications of that, um, but it would be interesting because one of the primary barriers is communication, um, but even if that's not the main thing, you know one of the things that's happening this year is they're launching a spaceship that's going to send a probe, I think, to Europa.

one of Jupiter's moons that's um like an icy ocean moon and then they're going to send a probe beneath the ice to see if there's microbial life um down there and that's supposed to land I think in 2030 but even something as simple as that

which is not really simple but it's not at the scale of like discovering a whole alien civilization but if we during the next 20 years discovered something as simple as finding that um basic forms of life existed somewhere other than Earth that would have a huge like Earth

shattering um effect on our conceptualization of ourselves of humanity of our place in the universe and other things that would be similar to and sort of approaching what happened with Copernicus publishing you know his book and showing that we weren't at the

center of the solar system discovering a new form of life would be the modern equivalent of something tantamount to that because it would show that human life is not the center of the solar system or of the universe but that there's life elsewhere as well and it

would sort of like decentralize us and move us away from the center of the universe but instead show that we're like one of many that's revolving around something larger yeah and talk about making small things big and big things small um you know Finding microbial life like that

would um yeah it easily be as revolutionary as as what Copernicus unleashed on the world um you know three Pluto cycles ago um you know also the the the the sort of elephant in the room also is um who knows I mean I

don't I don't know what to make of it, but there has been far more sort of serious discussion of unidentified flying objects and what their origin might be, and and that whole conversation has become, um, well, it's certainly a lot more normalized. I mean, it's, you know,

it's it's it's out there. There's there's, you know, it's it's being discussed in Congress, you know, before cameras and everything. So, um, who knows what emerges out of that if any answers, but um, that would easily fit the the the, you know,

the the sort of the the the list that we've compiled in terms of the kind of impact that that um this transit of Pluto and Aquarius could reflect in, you know, terms of change in in human consciousness. Yeah, for sure. And I don't know about that either, like I don't know

whether to take some of that stuff seriously or not, or if it's legitimate or not. Um, but certainly obviously like having any other signs of, you know, actual intelligent life or like civilizations out there besides our own would also have like a huge impact on

our on our world and on society, um, as well as science and and a number of other things, religion. Um, so that's, you know, a possibility as well that we'll have to see what happens. Yeah, absolutely. Um, other themes, one of the ones that was recurring obviously at this point is

like the role of China and China and technological transmissions is like a major theme that kept coming up over and over again, and we've already mentioned how some of that, you know, it's really notable to me that just in the past um few decades, you know,

China has risen to become a global superpower again, and it's really notable that that's happened. It's come to this point like right before Pluto goes into Aquarius, um so that now a lot of the focus is on like, you know, um, the

increasing tensions between like world powers like the United States and China, and whether there will be conflict, and as well as like um tensions over technologies and things like that going back and forth between the two. Yeah, yeah, um, I think you might have mentioned with

Austin that uh Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin both have Saturn-Neptune conjunctions in their natal charts. So when we get to 2025, yeah, you know, that's the final Ingress of Pluto into Aquarius um, and it happens the same time as the

Saturn-Neptune conjunction in Aries. So I do think of 2025, you know, when when Uranus goes into Pluto good and proper for good um, and all that other, all those other transits are happening, um, will definitely hit a new chapter in the

history of China and the history of Russia. Um, Saturn-Neptune has always been very promising for both, and and yeah, you know, it's in the Nativity of both uh both leaders, so I, you know, I and we talked already about the Pluto Transit just in terms of the the People's

Republic of China and and how it was um declared when PL when the ascendant was in Aquarius, the moon was in Aquarius. So that Pluto Transit could be, you know, um, certainly hitting the People's Republic, the, you know, the political structure in

China, um, you know, right in the middle of the chart, yeah, yeah. And then of course, you and I have done that episode previously, one of the major episodes in the history of the podcast about like Uranus, the Uranus Return of the United States when Uranus goes through Gemini.

And how that's coincided with, it's only happened three times in the past, and the first time it was the American Revolutionary War, the second time was the Civil War, and the third time was World War II. So that's one of the issues.

Um, you know, that's concerning since Uranus is about to move back into Gemini in 2025, and is an additional cycle that's like a secondary overlay, which is, is the US going to have another major conflict or another major war that's on

the level of those other three that have happened so far in its history when Uranus has gone into Gemini. One of the, you know, and that's going to be happening at the same time as Pluto in Aquarius. And one of the things that's

actually interesting about that is just that Uranus in Gemini is going to be trining Pluto um several times off and on, increasingly close over the course of the next decade. And I think that's really going to accelerate a lot of the technological developments in a lot of

the developments with communications and other things like that over the course of the next decade that were already indicated just by Pluto in Aquarius. That's going to be supercharged by Uranus going into Gemini. Yeah, no, absolutely. Um, that, that, and that's a

feature that you know we didn't have um um quite in the same way uh um you know the the the last few times that Uranus has been in Gemini um they were co-present like during the Revolutionary War Uranus was in in Gemini while Pluto

was in Aquarius but the Pluto Ingress came a little too late for there to be a Trine in the air signs like that and of course uh before long Uranus zipped into zip through Cancer Zi into Leo and made an opposition to that

Pluto um so that Trine with Pluto from Uranus and Gemini uh is a is a a feature that that distinguishes it from past Uranus transits through Gemini and the wars that they've coincided with um and of course the big message when it comes

to that that Transit of Uranus through Gemini and and the United States being involved in these major conflicts is they in all three instances they led to the United States essentially becoming a new country in a way certainly redefining itself in some really

fundamental way uh the Revolutionary War created the country the Civil War centralized the country and the uh the second world war in the Cold War uh turned this you know reluctant sort of protectionist uh uh Nation isolationist nation into a global superpower um virtually against its will

virtually by circumstance um so yeah there's there's there's something about the the country's own transformation that coincides with Uranus and Gemini except this time like in the 1770s it's happening while Pluto's in Aquarius while the while the

mood for for sort of popular power for people power is is um reaching its zenith and and um the revolt against sort of authority or or dictatorial power is is you know at its most potent um yeah and one of the things about that with the US that's actually really

fascinating about the Uranus Pluto TR is that um the US has Uranus in the Sibly chart at 8° of Gemini and that's actually roughly um where I think the exact trine will be going exact between Uranus and Pluto um starts going exact

when Uranus gets to around 8 degrees of Gemini and Pluto gets around to 8 degrees of Aquarius so that adds an interesting additional um level of an intensity that it's going to be happening at the most intense point in

the Uranus Return of the United States yeah yeah absolutely so that's one thing all right moving on to other points summary points so new technologies like paper allowing for an explosion of information and a diffusion of new ideas so I think AI is probably going to be

playing this role in our time although there may be additional things involving um how information is transferred and proliferated and consumed in terms of innovations in the form factor of the role that paper played in previous times to whatever the equivalent uh to that is

in our time um you know something about that something about the form factor and the way that information is accessed and is spread around um being important to this time period yeah yeah we can see that happening pretty easily yeah um but but it's like it's going to be taken to

some new level and it's going to have a completely transformative effect on our culture um through that technological innovation and we can for sure see some of that like the cusp of some of that but there's some parts of where that's going to go that we

probably at least normal people um that aren't like futurists aren't even anticipating or don't realize you know it's going to how that's going to change society soon and and on all the different levels in which it'll change

things yeah yeah exactly all right other themes I've been saying to people sorry to interrupt I've been saying to people that a hundred years from now people will look back at 2025 as the beginning of the 21st century not unlike that we think of 1919

or 1920 being the beginning of the 20th century um you know where it's really like a very visible demarcation in history where uh suddenly everything that preceded it seems you know like like it belongs to another age you know even this period right now

we that's a good point in a number of different ways although that makes me think of something I was I um saw recently where somebody said that um in terms of like archives and research there's going to be this demarcating line in history that starts

with 2023 and it's because everybody's starting in in every field is starting to use AI in order to augment research and do research with things but also in order to generate um content of what's being created in different fields and as a result of that um there's going to be

like this this um sedimentary layer where you're going to have to like there's going to be a fine line between things that were generated by AI or could have been and were influenced by that innovation versus things that were produced prior to that time that had to

have been only produced by humans it was an interesting thing to think about yeah I mean imagine future wedding photos will be taken you know in some kind of AI generated uh um simulation uh you know wedding wedding photos with you know the parents and the the nieces and nephews and what have you

but you're in front of I don't you know who knows what uh um a giant planet some kind of futuristic you know backdrop I mean what have you um yeah it it's it's going to change a lot of things I mean you know culturally as well as everything else

yeah for sure all right other things um governments trying to control the flow of information um so governments and entities attempting to control or suppress the spread of information and ideas although often failing eventually although being successful for some periods of time um so these attempts to

control the flow of information for example in the past coincided with the church's list of prohibited books um so there may be other instances where there's like institutionalized censorship attempts or attempts to suppress new discoveries or ideas with extreme methods that ultimately fail

because the powerful insight that the idea or discovery has about the nature of the world um so thinking back to like Copernicus' discovery about the sun being the center of the solar system and how that was suppressed initially but that eventually you know it couldn't be

suppressed forever because it actually was true and it actually pointed to a property of nature that was that was real um not to like put you know ourselves not to center ourselves too much but I think also of things like astrology and some of the questions

we've talked about on Forecast episodes lately about we've been in this period of like a a Renaissance and a height a bump in the popularity of astrology over the past several years and whether we'll go into a a downturn or a period of

suppression again at some point before too long um but if something like that happened you know it couldn't last forever because um of the fact that astrology does reveal an actual property of nature and that the validation of that is sort of like inevitable despite

both historical or any current or future attempts to suppress it that's right the truth is revolutionary so um I mean that's that's something I I could imagine happening unfortunately uh but it makes it all the more important for us to do the work that we're doing

um you know regardless of what sort of becomes of us because somewhere down the road uh it's it's work that can be you know developed by others once the the smoke clears so to speak and um it's too vital and it's indeed it's it's

absolutely a property of nature and therefore there's there's truth there there's something to be learned and discovered and it can only be suppressed for so long so um yeah what we're doing is is really important even even if someone does you know sort of put the

boot on us at some point um the the work will live yeah and and what we've seen also is that sometimes things that are started or or done in previous cycles don't come to full maturation until later ones so you know it may be setting

a foundation for certain things that aren't fully discovered um and put together or advanced to the next level until the next cycle but it's at least um doing or creating something that ends up having a legacy that lives on and and grows and evolves yeah I mean in this is

instance um this time unlike the 1700s we're not going to have Uranus opposite Pluto in Aquarius uh Leo we're going to have a Pluto opposite Uranus in in um Pisces Virgo um so it's a very it's

going to be a very sort of different experience and that'll be the the culmination but that'll come after we've gone through whatever Pluto in Aquarius has in store for us yeah for sure all right other themes government and major entities attempting to steal technology through

espionage um I already mentioned you know some of the things that are going on between different companies like East and West that are trying to steal AI technology between each other or um other things like that um another one tied in with that is governments and

entities attempting to have a monopoly on technology and the power advantage and influence that technological monopolies give we've seen that with gunpowder guns cannons silk worms in modern times it's focusing on things like computer chips uh microprocessors

processors, artificial intelligence, and other things like that. And that will, you know, perhaps be the central um struggle in terms of technology over the next 20 years is that whoever controls and has um a monopoly on those technologies ultimately could have just like an immense amount of power in our world uh

and could set the tone for other countries around the world at the same time. Um, all right, old technologies being merged and refined to create new weapons of war. Um, so how developments in technology can be used to kill other humans and advancements or innovations in new forms

of death and destruction. So here I'm thinking about things like drones, robots, artificial intelligence, lasers, and cyber warfare. Um, all of which may be taken to new and sort of extreme heights as we we're already seeing that happening with many of those. Um, but I'm sure you know

we'll probably see some pretty terrifying things in terms of that, reaching that those technologies reaching the height of their sort of like full maturation over the course of the next 20 years. Yeah, yeah, I mean um, I mean obviously drones are already a thing. Um, you know

even just on Twitter, you know, there these these uh uh threads come up sometimes where you know, you see drone footage of um either they're Ukrainian or drones uh shooting firing on Russian soldiers or Russian drones firing on Ukrainian soldiers. Um, it's it's taken the the sort of the

experience of war into this whole new level. I mean, I remember you know, 30 something years ago with the first Gulf War, it seemed miraculous that um we were watching a war on TV on CNN uh or before that the you know, the the the overthrow

of the Panamanian dictator, uh, in '89, which happened on live TV. Um, Nora, no, not Nora, he was Nicaragua. I forget the guy's name, uh, but the Panamanian dictator, down on live TV, which was during also the last Saturn Neptune

conjunction, which is something else that sort of comes into the mix here, uh, when it comes to sort of like the spreading of information and new ways of disseminating that. There's this perfect storm in 2025 of all these things coming together, uh, not just Uranus and Gemini

not just Pluto and Aquarius, but this Saturn Neptune conjunction, uh, which I think will coincide with like a really, you know, heavy-duty, um, moment of clarity on, you know, on the world stage. Um, some kind of everyone seeing things for the way they really are. I don't know

if clarity is the keyword I would use for a Saturn Neptune conjunction. I, it's, it's one I would use. Um, but yeah, I mean amidst all the the subtra that's going on, but, but there does, there does tend to be, you know, revelations

amidst, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and you know with this the current technology and stuff for warfare, there's going to be questions like, you know, one of the questions currently are things like, um, should once artificial intelligence is developed and employed in the battlefield, can it be um, used, can

autonomous machines, should they be given the okay to like kill humans without any human oversight, for example, is going to be like one of the major questions and like ethical implications over the course of the next 20 years. Um, in terms of how that is the answer to that question and

how different governments employ those technologies, basically the Terminator, you know I mean, that's that's where you know the kind of super soldier, uh uh character, uh minus the time travel, but but yeah that's that's you know that's the kind of thing that seems to be

developing. Yeah, so some of those questions are going to become real, like not science fiction, but like actual things that we're talking about and are being debated in terms of the ethical implications, which then leads me into the next one, which is the experience of

scientists creating something through a love of science, but then having their creation used to destroy things. So similar to, we've talked about you know gunpowder and things like that in the past, but also sort of similar to Leisa's example with Frankenstein and some of the the um

things that are erased in that story as like an allegory, but the ethical implications of scientific advancements as well as the potential dangers and responsibility that come with pushing the boundaries of knowledge. Um, and a related theme that kept coming up was doing dangerous or risky things in the name of science

and out of a love for wisdom, which is kind of an Aquarius thing and kind of a Pluto thing, um where Aquarius can be doing something just out of curiosity or out of a love of science to see if it works without necessarily thinking about

the implications. Um, so I mentioned guns, even like hot air balloons to some extent, and the riskiness of like sending a human up um into the air to see if it works and and having it be successful, but then some of the things that sometimes come

out of that you think about that like culminating eventually not too long after with like World War II and other successive Wars where airplanes become like a major source of death and destruction yeah I mean we we were talking about the first hot air balloon

you know manned flight in in September of 1783 and it was less than two years later June of 1785 that the first person was killed in a hot air balloon accident so uh you know even before it found its military application um so yeah right

off the bat you know some of these Technologies uh um do do you know take take victims with them yeah for sure um all right another major theme of Pluto and Aquarius was the development of the scientific method and experimentation as a major theme

throughout and I think there's going to be something about that in terms of it seemed like there were some successive developments in the development of like what the scientific method was and how it should be carried out that were refined in some of these periods um and

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