현실의 본질: 회의론과 합리성 논쟁

### 회의주의와 현실의 본질에 대한 탐구: 철학적 대화
* 🤔 이 논의는 물리학을 선험적으로 이해할 수 있는지에 대한 의문에서 시작하여 **과거 프로젝트에서 입증된 것처럼 그러한 접근 방식에 결함**이 있다는 주장으로 이어집니다.
* 🔍 연사는 세상의 규칙성을 관찰하는 것의 중요성을 강조하며, 이러한 관찰은 **단순한 마음의 투영이 아닌 실제 경험에 근거**해야 한다고 제안합니다.
* 💭 특히 우리 인식의 신뢰성과 다른 마음의 존재에 의문을 제기하는 **고독주의의 가능성에 대한 회의론**에 대한 우려가 제기됩니다.
* 🌌 연사는 합리적인 탐구를 통해 하나의 관점에 갇히지 않고 다양한 가능성을 고려할 수 있으므로 **회의론을 문제시해서는 안 된다**고 주장합니다.
* 🧠 대화는 지혜와 인식의 타고난 구조로 옮겨가면서 **많은 사람들이 제한된 경험과 편견**으로 인해 다른 마음을 인식하는 데 어려움을 겪을 수 있음을 강조합니다.
* 👥 연사는 다른 관점을 인정하지 않고 독선적인 성향을 보일 수 있는 정치인을 예로 들어 **소통과 현실의 본질에 대해 성찰**합니다.
* 🔗 궁극적으로 이 대화는 합리성과 현실의 관계를 다루며, 무엇이 실재하는지를 결정하는 데 있어 **합리적 과정이 근본적**이라는 점을 제시함으로써 물리학과 현실에 대한 전통적인 관점에 도전합니다.
* 📏 대화는 이성 자체를 단순히 물리적 과정의 부산물이 아니라 **행동에 영향을 미치는 실제 실체**로 인정해야 하는지에 대한 고찰로 마무리됩니다.

회의주의는 현실에 대한 우리의 인식을 검증하기 위해서는 이성이 독립적으로 존재해야 한다는 사실을 밝혀냅니다.

Um, I, I don't know if I, I don't know, I made myself clear what I was trying to get at. Uh, are you, maybe I, I should ask a question first. Are you proposing that you can do physics a priori? Uh, because that doesn't seem to be the

case. Um, we tried to do physics a priori in that stateheart's project, and it collapses. You can't do physics a priori. You see, as you said, and then you said we can observe regularities, which I think is what physics does, but that means you're

saying that regularities are really there. Um, and then I guess the problem becomes, uh, what privileges those experiences of, I mean, I can have to use your analogy, I can have regularities in my dream, and I don't take them to have given me

an account of how the world really is. But if I do say that regularities work, what is it about them that gets me outside of the simulation? I'm worried about, I'm worried about a problem of skepticism here. I'm worried about a problem of

right. Am I, this is what, you know, this is what Hume does. He says, well, you know, uh, you've got all these regularities, but those regularities are themselves only projected by the mind. Their causation is just association between ideas and experiences, and therefore I

really can't know the world. And Kant, et cetera. And so, I, I guess I'm wondering if there seems to be a, I mean, to say things are a projection is to say that other things are real because it's a contrast term to say that everything

is an illusion for example doesn't make any sense. It's like saying everything's tall, right? Um, so I'm trying to get out what is like what surely we must have experiences that count as access to the real or else we are just locked inside

an attorney, an internal self-referential system. That's what I'm, that's what I'm asking. That make sense? Um, yes, but let's start out with um one of these aspects. There are several um points that we I think would need to address and some of them

are veritable rabbit holes. So let's start out with the problem of skepticism. Personally, I don't see skepticism as a problem because I think that uh when I am observing um the trajectories that my mind can take, there is not usually many points where I

open a door and go through and I cannot go back, right? It's not that I uh in the course of intellectual exploration uh go through one-way doors that I can see before and I say um, I cannot come back. This might exist in some religions. So uh here is a wonderful

delicious brain worm uh you take it on and you can give it back in three weeks from now. And ideologies uh usually work in such a way that they warp your mind in such a way that you get cut off from the rest of human thought space and you

cannot come back. And I, I think that in the rational world this cannot happen. So when you think rationally, everything that you think is conditional on something else, and so everything that is not impossible is possible, and the confidence among the possible things has to be disputed uh distributed.

according to the evidence that is available, so the possibility that nothing exists in the way in which I perceive it, and I don't exist and other people don't exist, or only I exist and all the other people exist is always a possibility, and there is nothing scary

about it, and they don't need to be worried about it. There are no assumptions that they need to make to avoid this, so I never fall into this trap and never come back. Oh my god, no, it's not not a problem. The possibility

that there are no other people should be considered, and I should see, uh, what observations suggest that this is the case and which observations speak against it, and uh, if I ever find out that there never been other people, why should I be surprised, right? It's I should consider this. I

should see how deep the rabbit hole goes. There's nothing scary about it. It's not infinitely deep. They're not infinitely many conclusions that I will draw from this. This will not lock me in an inhospitable place of the intellectual universe if I consider this path. So I

would suggest basically consider the entire space of possibilities and the idea that there are other minds in the world that are constituted in a quite similar way to mine, but have a larger diversity than some people might be willing to acknowledge at first glance

and so on, right? This seems to be a good theory. There seem to be other objects that look a lot like me in this mind, and they seem to be like me. The side effect of the regulation needs of the hairless monkey in the present universe, and uh

This, so it's a good theory. It gives good predictions. It's a useful encoding of the patterns that are thrown at my systemic boundary. And this, there's another aspect to solipsism which is more an experiential one. This is if you cannot perceive other minds as

minds based on the priors that you have. Most people don't learn a lot of wisdom in their life, and that their wisdom they have is largely a structure that is innate to them. They are lucky to be born biased, and they just converge in the

observation of the world to more details in this structure. And so only people that are born unwise have difficulty to ever get to wisdom. So we do learn new structure, but largely the architecture that we use to interpret the world seems to be something that is to a large degree innate. That is mapped

to the circumstances that our ancestors found themselves in in the world. And what we noticed, for instance, many Europeans that live in the US have all these weird quirks in which they relate to the world that are the remnant of non-existent European societies that they're brought

within their own minds, and the structure that is built into their soul over many generations. And now they try this in this very brutish and weird pioneer society that is the US. And many of these patterns don't make sense. And this is not just the case for

Europeans, it's just for Europeans. I can notice and interpret these patterns better than for other cultures that are part of this hodgepodge of the US. And so it's very interesting to see that uh solipsism might be a property of

Some people, I I sometimes think that our previous president has been a solipsist, not in the sense that he is an evil person. I think it's psychologically interesting that when he talks to other people, his important criterion was always, "He can't say whatever he wants as long

as he gets away with it." And communication is a tool to get what he wants. And it seems to be somewhat invariant in politics, but he beelines for it right. He is able to think outside of a box because he never acknowledged the existence of this box.

There is a certain prior that there are other minds that he needs to share truth with, that is absent. He can just say whatever he wants. He's free to do this because there are no other people. There's only something like an almost faceless audience that relates to him in

a particular way, and that he relates to in a particular way that makes him fit for this particular role. Was probably unwise to to make this tangent because they don't want to make a normative statement one way or the other about Trump. They just think that he happens to

be somebody that we all know and who's psychologically interesting because I think he might be a solipsist in an experiential, functional, not necessarily a philosophical sense. So don't worry, Josh, I'm not going to draw you into any kind of political

debate around uh uh Trump. Um so that uh that would be uh unfair to you and unfair to the spirit in which you offered the example. Um now uh I'm trying to think of what how to reply because you said about seven thousand really interesting things in

that last thing uh but one thing I I I seemed to pick up on uh was that you know reality seems to be determined by rational processes of making sense um which I mean and that's a classical kind of idealism that's sort of like Hegelian

idealism that ultimately the real is dependent on on the on the capacity for rationality and so rationality has to be as real as anything else because of that dependency relationship now the thing about that is rationality seems to be a quintessential mental property too

um and does that mean that we don't have I mean you know you know you know this too I know you know what again I've seen your talks you know the problems of deep time that idealism faces right the problem with deep time you know

there seems to be a significant difference between Darwin discovering the theory of evolution in 1859 process of rational reflection gathering the evidence and the process of evolution that actually led to Darwin's existence right they have different they have different temporal uh spatial extensions

etc and so the the problem I guess I'm trying to get at is when I'm talking about it that way doesn't that mean that I have to take it that that rationality really exists since my ability to determine what is real is dependent on

my rational processes like you said better theories worth series making better sense etc etc and then that seems to indicate a very high level of organization at which things can be real rather than just what is typically taken to be the physical I take it that at least

traditionally at least currently rationality is not part of the ontology of physics. It's presupposed in the practice of physics but it's not part of the ontology. Um and so that that means it sounds to me either like you have a kind of strong

idealism or because you brought this up as another possibility you see rationality as emerging uh perhaps out of intelligence and intelligence emerging out of the behavior of the brain. But it wouldn't be an epiphenomenon. It could not be given this argument at the

phenomenal emergence. Rationality would have to be a real thing that really exists and really uh directs people's behavior in some fashion. How does that land with you or have I misinterpreted you?

The problem of skepticism and solipsism - Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke

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선험적 물리학 및 회의주의 비판

과거 시도의 실패를 예로 들며 선험적으로 물리학을 할 수 있는 가능성에 의문을 제기합니다.

물리학의 기초인 규칙성을 관찰하지만, 이러한 경험이 꿈속의 경험보다 어떤 특권을 갖는지 의문을 제기합니다.

회의론에 대한 우려: 어떻게 하면 고독주의의 함정을 피하면서 현실 세계에 접근할 수 있을까요?

흄의 회의론과 비교하면, 규칙성은 현실을 반영하는 것이 아니라 마음의 투영입니다.

자기 참조 시스템에 갇히지 않기 위해 현실에 대한 접근으로 간주되는 경험의 필요성.

회의론과 일방통행식 사고의 문에 대처하기

지적 탐구는 일반적으로 되돌릴 수 없는 일방통행의 문을 포함하지 않기 때문에 회의론은 문제로 간주되지 않습니다.

종교와 이데올로기는 사고의 돌이킬 수 없는 변화를 일으켜 다른 관점으로부터 단절시킬 수 있습니다.

이성적인 사고는 조건부이기 때문에 갇힐 염려 없이 모든 가능성을 탐색할 수 있습니다.

고독주의나 타인의 부재 가능성은 본질적으로 두려운 것이 아니라 이성적으로 탐구해야 할 문제입니다.

자신과 비슷하지만 다양한 다른 마음의 존재를 포함하여 전체 가능성의 공간을 고려할 것을 제안합니다.

경험적 속성과 선천적 구조로서의 고독주의

고독주의는 경험적 속성이 될 수 있는데, 이는 다른 사람의 마음을 인식하는 능력에 따라 달라집니다.

대부분의 사람들의 지혜는 대부분 타고난 것으로, 세상을 해석하는 데 영향을 미치며, 지혜롭지 않게 태어난 사람들은 지혜를 얻기 위해 노력할 수 있습니다.

뿌리 깊은 문화적 패턴이 세계관과 해석에 어떤 영향을 미치는지 보여주는 미국 내 유럽인의 사례입니다.

전직 대통령을 경험적 고독주의의 잠재적 사례로 논의하면서, 그들의 소통 스타일과 다른 생각을 인정하지 않는 태도에 초점을 맞춥니다.

합리성, 이상주의, 그리고 깊은 시간의 문제

합리적 과정에 의해 결정되는 현실은 합리성이 다른 모든 것만큼이나 실재한다는 헤겔의 이상주의와 일치합니다.

깊은 시간의 문제: 다윈의 이성적인 진화론적 발견과 진화 과정 자체의 차이.

현실이 합리성에 의해 결정된다면, 합리성이 존재해야 하며, 이는 잠재적으로 높은 수준의 조직을 의미할 수 있습니다.

강한 이상주의 또는 지능과 두뇌 행동에서 나온 합리성의 출현을 일시적인 현상이 아닌 것으로 간주합니다.

합리성의 실체가 물리학의 존재론과 인간 행동에서의 역할에 어떻게 부합하는지에 대해 질문합니다.