Helen TONER is a former board member of Open Air and has actually said that the board didn't know about the original 2022 launch of Chachi Beaty until afterwards, and that they only found out about it on, well, Twitter or X. Let's bring in Seth Green for more on what seems to be more discussion in the press coming from Helen TONER. She had already written a piece with Tash as well, another previous board member, about some of their worries about air governance. This keeps building. Yeah, I mean, it's remarkable. We have a former board member who's just going rogue at this point and really bashing the company, or at least its current leadership. The claim about Chargeability is remarkable. Here's their biggest, best known product. And they're saying that the board had no previous awareness that it was going to be launched. Now, there's a caveat there. When they released this product, it was

kind of a slow burn.
Initially, people didn't know it was going to be as big as it became. But the bigger takeaway from this piece is that she's really getting at the idea that there was a long series of times where they were either misinformed, uninformed, or felt like they were being manipulated by Sam Altman. And for months now, it's been a guessing game in Silicon Valley. What precipitated the ouster last year? This is really the most that we've seen so far that gets at that question. Seth, as you know, I remember the weekend of Sam Altman's ouster and tone. It didn't pick up the phone. She hadn't had much to say. Then in the last 24 hours or 48 hours, she's had quite a lot to say. But the issue is the relationship with Sam. This is something Sam Altman told Bloomberg last year. Listen.

you have an incredible amount of power
at this moment in time. Why should we trust you?
You shouldn't. It's I think at this moment in time,
like people deserve basically as much time asking questions as they want.
And I'm trying to show up and do it. But more to that.
Like no one person should be trusted here.
I don't have super voting shares. Like, I don't want them.
The board can fire me. I think that's important.
So at its root, this Sam Altman pushing to commercialize the technology.
And then there's different iterations of the board who seem unaware.
I don't really know where to go next with that.
Well, you're right. Again, it's pretty remarkable.
I think there's been a drip, drip from Allen has become a little bit more
comfortable being public about her concerns.
You're right. For months, we really couldn't get much
detail. What we've heard is essentially that
there was a long simmering buildup of

mistrust and miscommunication.
And in her latest statements, we're seeing a little bit more on that
surface. The current context is that you can't
trust Sam when it comes to discussions with celebrities.
When it comes to that ultimately, is what people are now realizing.
Rightly or wrongly, what was cast into the public discourse has, of course,
been Scarlett Johansson and the calls at what time they happened and open.
I I'm really trying to lay out the order of occurrence of when they discussed
using the voice of Scarlett Johansson when that already talked actors and
actresses. But there is a feeling of distrust
growing. I think so. I think they're taking pains
now to be as transparent as they can be. What's funny is that for all of the
tension that they've have, a board member is never cross a famous actress.
I think that's where you're going to really lose the public.

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