정치, 미디어, 대중의 인식에 관한 대화

### 정치인의 복잡한 페르소나: 유명인과의 상호작용을 통한 인사이트
* 🤔 토론은 논란이 많은 존 볼턴의 평판에 대한 고찰로 시작되며, 트럼프와 같은 비평가들에게도 **"미친놈"이라고 불린 그의 공격적인 자세**가 어떻게 인정받았는지를 강조합니다.
* 🎭 대화는 트럼프의 독특한 엔터테인먼트와 비즈니스 감각의 조화로 옮겨가며, **그의 코미디 스타일이 종종 선동적인 발언**을 바탕으로 그의 캐릭터에 대한 오해를 불러일으키는 것에 주목합니다.
* 💬 비욘세와 같은 유명인이 정치인을 지지하는 것에 대해 **그들의 라이프스타일과 일반 미국인의 경험 사이의 괴리**를 강조하면서 그들의 지지에 대해 회의적인 시각을 보이는 경우가 많습니다.
* 🗣 정치인, 특히 카말라 해리스에 대한 압박에 대해 논의하며, 특히 **전통적인 방법으로 지위를 얻지 못했을 때 대중 연설의 어려움**과 그들이 직면하는 조사에 초점을 맞춥니다.
* 🎤 스크립트화된 답변이 어떻게 진정한 참여를 방해하고 화자를 불안하게 만드는지에 대한 비판과 함께 **인터뷰에서의 진정한 소통의 어려움**을 강조합니다.
* 🧠 이 대화는 트럼프의 대통령직에 대한 회고에서 볼 수 있듯이 **정치 생활의 초현실적인 경험**을 다루며 대중의 인식과 개인적인 경험 사이의 괴리를 강조합니다.
* 🔍 이 대담은 각본에 따른 답변과 미디어의 묘사를 넘어 **정치인과의 진정한 대화**를 통해 그들의 진정한 모습을 이해하고자 하는 요구로 마무리됩니다.
* 💡 전반적으로 이 내러티브는 **정치인을 인간화**하고 그들의 공적 인물 뒤에 숨겨진 복잡성을 이해하는 것이 중요하다는 점을 강조합니다.

브렌든은 정치인들과 각본에 짜여진 답변을 넘어 그들의 진정한 모습을 발견하기 위해 진정한 대화를 추구합니다.

the Jogan experience. When I first got to Spotify, I was willing to do it for two reasons. One, because there was a ton of money, and two, because I wanted to be like 10% less famous. Yeah, I was like, wouldn't it be nice? Bo did that because people like, oh, you GNA go into obscurity. I'm like, great, like you'll be like Howard Stern. No one's going to perfect, perfect. Give me the money. I have other interests, man. Give me the Lo a little. Were you at all nervous for Trump? Uh, I was definitely hyped up. I was excited because I wanted to. There's a lot of questions I need to answer. Did you feel pressure? No, no, not pressure. Pressure mean like make sure you cover everything you want to cover. No, no, no, no. Just like I knew what was important. Did you for? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you ask him why he was so pro-vaccine? No, I didn't, but I also wanted to be rigid because there was a moment when he

brought up the polio vaccine. I was like, I don't want to correct him. I don't want to show. Like, when the... have you ever seen the chart of when polio actually dropped off when the vaccine was introduced? All [ __ ]. That's a rough one. That's a... when you look at the actual... like, there's a bunch of them. Measles is another one. And you... what actually happened... talk as a... exactly. And I don't want to get involved in the podcast where there's a lot of [ __ ]. I want to get to... I want to know what the [ __ ] is in the JFK files. Did you... we talk... he say, I didn't see that part because I've seen half. There's a lot of people that are still alive. And I said, Okay, so that's why you wouldn't release it because some of the people that are going to be implicated are still alive. So what that's saying to me is that the government was involved. Everybody knows. But I said that and he...

kind of like he danced a little real. No, he just like he's real good at you ask him a question and he starts to answer it, but then he takes you on a totally different route. You got to but you got to bring him back in, but you got to be respectful, so it's like I knew that that's the way he does it, but I'm like I understand what you're doing, sir, but let's get it back to what I was asking you. Did that you did that a couple times. I was like I want to know what that first [ __ ] day is like, and I don't think I got that answer out of him. I don't think he remembers. I think he does. What I'm talking about is like this feeling of now you have to appoint 10,000 people, and now you have to figure out how this machine works when you've never governed at all, and they don't show you any of that when you're running for president. It's not like a training.

program like hey Brendon you might be president so we're going to show you this is how deals get made this I like what he said about John Bolton he said yeah he's a wack job but you know what was cool about him when I went to [ __ ] Iran and I had John B and they all knew he was a [ __ ] he was ready to drop bombs he's called him a wack job but he he had hisp kind of that kind of mindset you know the problem with the the Trump stuff is just that the people look at the inflammatory things he says the crazy [ __ ] and they Define him by that but you also have to remember this is a very bizarre combination of an Entertainer and a businessman so it's an Entertainer that like he's like a comedian man he says funny [ __ ] he does it all the time he's always when he makes fun of Biden con Ro he's funny man

New York, he's very New York. The fact that he, the nicknames he gives to people, that they have to be funny. Yeah, if they weren't, if it wasn't funny, he wouldn't use it. Like Tamp on Tim. My point is, people don't know what to do with that, and they want to pretend that all these other people are somehow or another like morally better because you don't get to see the real them. Like, I don't buy that. I don't think you should either. I don't think that's how people really are. I think, and when you see over and over and over and over again the media manipulating things and lying about things to make him seem way worse than he is, him, Hitler, you should be suspicious. You should be real. They're doing that exactly. They don't want to lose that job. They're in Desperado mode now. Do, did you have a different perspective after, like, go, like, you don't know him well, right? I don't know him at all. Literally never had a conversation.

with him other than nice to meet you, sir, and he complimented me. I said, Thank you, you're really good at this UFC stuff. But after three hours, did you have a different impression of him or no? Yeah, well, I mean, he's a businessman, bottom line. He likes making deals, that's what it is, like, that's this whole thing. And he's got this ability to just keep going. This is what's crazy, like, the podcast is 3 hours long. The guy didn't pee before the podcast, he didn't pee after the podcast, maybe more Diet Cokes than me, but he didn't drink anything during the podcast, gang. He just sat here, we talked, and they were freaking out out there because he was two hours late for something he was doing in Michigan. He didn't give a [ __ ]. He's like, I know this is going to be bigger than that, let's just keep going. We did three hours, but at the end of it, he's, you know, I don't

know him other than the three hours that I talked to him when he was trying to at his best, and Harris has not said yes yet. She hasn't said no either. People keep saying she said no. I said I would have a conversation with her like a human being. That's all I want to do. That's literally all I want to do. I want to know what is it like to be. I don't even give a [ __ ] about all the stuff she's talked about, about policies and all these different things. We all know her positions. Yeah, like who are you? Just be real. Who are you? The crazy thing with that, that's the most she would be. She would be well served to cut step the Lion's. No, she's not though. She can't do it. I would be willing to talk about anything other than politics. I don't give a [ __ ]. I don't give a [ __ ]. Know who she is. Like if there was some certain

things they didn't want to talk about, like fine, I don't care, let's talk. I want to know who you are. Yes, I can find out who you are. We can talk about sports. It's crazy how they, she does interview after interview, and they're just like disasters, and you would think that she stud interviews. This is the thing, interviews. It's a [__] up way to talk that no one's used to doing. Here's the way it is. Here's a question, give me an answer, and you're like, well, I think that it's not a [__] conversation. It's not a conversation, so it's weird, so you're uncomfortable with your words, and you're trying to get it out right, and you realize millions of people [__] hate you and don't think you should be in that position in the first place. When she begins to answer a question with, I'm glad you asked that, thank you for that, I'm like, oh my God, no, you know it's she back you for.

asking a question about 20 million illegals coming through the border unvetted. I'm glad you asked that. No, no, no. She steers it back to the same talking points. She steers it back to I'm a middle-class. I come from a middle-class family. I like small businesses. It always back to the same and groceries. They go, What about inflation? And then she goes, You know, it's everything. You're right. I'm glad you asked that question. Groceries. I know, gas, everything. Family are struggling. And then, But no, but no plan. There's no, I need to hear what you want to do about it. You would think her handlers would go, 'This is the plan. When they ask you about inflation, say we're going to do this and we're going to do that. Tell [__]. The way they're doing it is very unnatural, and if you take a person that clams up when they have to talk publicly and you put them in unnatural environments, you incite all kinds of anxiety inside of them. It's a

terrible way to communicate. I don't think this would go better for. I just don't think it's her thing. 3 hours. If she did. If she gave. I'm trying to sell it and you're [ __ ] it up for me. Maybe. Maybe Kamala could sing or something. No. I think if s you know what I mean. If she could sing. Sign her to a bad boy record contract. You know what I mean. Blow up. I think that company is going out of business. You might want to do some. You the stock of bad boy right now. Whoa bro. Dudes are doing Cala ads and moving into Europe. Yeah. People are. People always are tripping on the baby. All right with the Diddy thing. They're tripping on the baby like a th000 bottles of baby oil. I'm like yeah there's probably about a thousand people at his parties right. And every 768 dildos. Wild Boy bro. Imagine yo imagine a diddy party with no lube. Come on man. Come on man. You got. I bet he doesn't

even I bet Diddy is not even gay. I bet it just he really enjoys [ __ ] guys just so you said he [ __ ] them. Yeah, it's a power move. I bet it's a crazy yes it does crazy drugged up power move. You know it's not filming everybody and having dirt on everybody like it's a crazy organized crime or makes you think like is this guy doing it on his own. No, like who's above this [ __ ] is that but is that the case is he doing it on his own's but maybe he is he's not. Also, it's funny the celebrities coming out to support Cala. You're like what the [ __ ] are you doing. They're like dancing we love Cala. Usher, Beyonce came out last night. She was all when Americans see like somebody who's a billionaire support. It's like Beyonce most people don't have anything in common with us so when that happens it doesn't usually go anybody that any

celebrity that comes out and supports. They probably went to parties, you know what I mean. They probably, or they just. I think it's really weird to ask someone who lies for a living what they think the President should be. That's a lot of actors. They're just professional liars. The whole thing they're doing is they're pretending they're someone else. You to, and you want them to be super sincere when they tell you who to vote for. I believe it's time. The fact that they keep pushing that Trump is Hitler, and he promised to be a. And Murphy. Murphy's a [__] undefeated. I hope comma says yes. Three hours s who you really are in three hours. I don't know if she do three hours. They probably want to do like an hour. You're going to get 22 minutes. I'll get an hour. I don't know man. 22 minutes. 22 minutes with bullet points. You know, it's like no one knows who these [__] people are, right. Get

into her favorite sexual Trump. We do know. I think someone didn't that call her daddy girl. Didn't they start talking about bedroom stuff? Yeah. I like cowgir a very good. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. You son of a [ __ ]. But really reverse cowgirl on New Year's Eve and Fourth of July. That's my favorite. Well, she does. She gives good cooking tips. Ever see a good cooking tips? Does she? What does she say? Tells people use beef. Beef tow. She'll probably be like no, no seed oils are the best at getting a bad beef to is too right wing exactly. I like sunflower oil. Joe, did you ask Trump about the assassination? Like there's nothing on it asking question that it's hard to Corral him. Like I said, he's like very slippery. No, I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean that he just like he talks. The guy's a gifted talker. He can just talk. You never have to worry about him.

running out of things to say, and sometimes he talks himself to the corners, but he gets out of it, you know. But it's just like he free balls, that's what he does. And so when I was talking to him about the Assassin, he was just joking around, he got it. We started talking about the UFC 'cause I wanted to see the scar on his ear. He does have a little mark on his ear, yeah. He did have a mark, yeah. He does have a shot. It's a small mark on his ear, but your ear is filled with blood vessels, that's why it bleeds so much. It heals quickly. So, uh, you know, he was just talking about Bo Nickel and cauliflower ear. Next thing he wanted to talk about, who's the best ever, like talk about. He's a real... well, he did a little bit, but he said it was surreal when he won the presidency. It wasn't surreal when he got shot. I thought that was fascinating. He said being in the White House was surreal. He goes walking in Lincoln's bedroom, he go, it was very...

surreal like but when he actually got into the White House he said it just didn't make any sense. It was very, very surreal. He said getting shot did not seem surreal. He goes he was on the ground. He knew he was they thought he was shot all over the place because the blood because it was you know the fog of Confusion. And there's blood on his face so nobody knew where he had been hit you know so they were all and they got him out of there but then when he stands up and says fight fight fight that is the theic things of all time of all time of all time that you can't fake that that guy got shot. He didn't know if people were still out there shooting. Nobody knew what the [ __ ] was going on. That guy stood up and said fight fight fight and he got out of there. What do you want to ask Cala? I want to talk to her like a human being. I would say what is the experience like of being the vice

president, you never had any kind of national exposure at this level. Like, what is that? What is the pressure of that like? Like, what's it like when you get in there, when you want to do things, and you can't make them happen? Like, what do you think you can do differently as a president versus what you've been doing as a vice president? Is it frustrating to not be able to do the things you want to do? What do you think that you could do to fix certain things that the world thinks are a real problem in this country? Just give people, give her some time. I might not agree with her. I don't know. Let her talk. Well, she was a DA. She had a big girl job. It's like, it's not like she had a real job. I like how you say big girl job. Sex is a piece of [ __ ] A. It's just a big job. It's a good job. It's a big boy, big girl job.

it's a real job, you know what I'm saying. Like being a DA is a real job, a good job. That's why I'm so surprised that she doesn't have more confidence. There's a different skill talking in front of an audience when people hate you, okay. There's a whole thing going on where the amount of... No, it doesn't matter the amount of people that don't think she should be there. She never won the primary. That's got to be in your head. 1% of you got put in there, you know. It's kind of a coup. I mean, Jim Gaffigan even made that joke at the... What is it? Yeah, kind of. And they're constantly telling her not to cackle, right? And then when she does, you know, in her head, she's thinking... I'm like... And everyone's on the side going... You, everybody on the site goes shut the... It's a terrible way to find out who a person is. It's a

terrible way debates are a terrible way talking publicly when you're reading off a teleprompter is a terrible way. The pressure, the amount of people that are [ __ ] look, I've been a host on a show before, and one of the things that happens is you get all these executives in your ear, and they're all telling you, Do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that, and it starts to [ __ ] with your head. Yes, it [ __ ] with your head. So, you would just talk to her, you just want to have a conversation, a conversation, do not [ __ ] care. Listen, they're probably telling her all kinds of [ __ ]. You better, you better keep that [ __ ]. She's going, Here's the deal, right? She's going from campaign stop to campaign stop to campaign stop. How much room is in there for reading? How much room is in there for learning about these policies? How

Joe's Thoughts on the Trump Podcast and If Kamala Will Be On

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트럼프의 복잡한 페르소나와 유명인의 영향력

트럼프의 논란의 여지가 있는 행동은 엔터테인먼트와 비즈니스가 혼합되어 있으며, 종종 선동적인 발언으로 그를 정의합니다.

칼라와 같은 유명 인사에 대한 유명인들의 지지는 그들의 영향력과 일반인과의 단절에 대한 의문을 제기합니다.

칼라와 같은 유명 인사가 직면하는 압박과 조사는 어려운 환경을 조성하여 쿠데타와 같은 상황으로 인식될 수 있습니다.

연설자는 해리스와 진정한 대화를 나누고 싶다는 의사를 밝히며 정치 정책에 초점을 맞추기보다는 한 인간으로서 그녀를 이해하는 것이 중요하다는 점을 강조합니다.

국가적 노출에 대한 부담과 어려움을 인정하고 정치 이외의 모든 주제에 대해 기꺼이 논의할 의향이 있음을 밝힙니다.

연사는 인터뷰 형식과 그 어색함을 비판하며 이러한 감시 속에서 진정성 있는 소통이 어렵다는 점을 강조합니다.

트럼프의 영향력과 미디어 조작에 대해 논의하기

이 대화는 성적 취향과 요리 팁에 대한 한 여성의 장난스러운 언급을 다루면서 트럼프의 카리스마 있고 미끄러운 소통 스타일에 대해서도 논의합니다.

화자는 트럼프에 대한 미디어의 묘사에 대해 회의적인 입장을 표명하며, 미디어가 트럼프를 더 나쁘게 보이도록 내러티브를 조작하고 있다고 주장합니다.

또한 인플레이션과 이민과 같은 문제를 다룰 때 반복적인 말과 명확한 계획이 없음을 강조합니다.

독특한 개성을 지닌 솔직한 대화

화자는 종종 스스로를 궁지에 몰아넣지만 유머로 위기를 모면하는 친구에 대해 이야기합니다.

친구의 귀 흉터, UFC, 대통령 당선이라는 초현실적인 경험에 대해 이야기합니다.

대화는 카말라 해리스, 디디, 스포티파이에 대한 화자 자신의 경험, 트럼프 인터뷰와 같은 주제를 다루며 경쾌하게 진행됩니다.

화자는 백악관에서 총에 맞은 후 대통령의 반응을 목격했던 초현실적인 경험을 이야기합니다.

장시간의 팟캐스트를 위해 자신의 일정을 무시하고 계속 진행하며 거래를 성사시키려는 대통령의 의지가 강조됩니다.

이 대화에서는 소아마비 백신과 JFK 파일 등 논란의 여지가 있는 주제를 다루며, 후자에 대한 정부의 개입 가능성을 시사합니다.

공개 토론과 연설은 경영진의 압박과 상충되는 조언으로 인해 부담스러울 수 있습니다.

후보자들은 여러 캠페인 일정을 소화하느라 정책을 읽고 학습할 시간이 부족한 경우가 많습니다.

회장직에 따르는 책임에 대한 공식적인 교육 없이 선거운동에서 운영으로 전환하는 것은 어려운 일입니다.