10월 7일 하마스의 이스라엘 공격: 민간인에 대한 폭력에 대한 분석과 규탄

### 하마스 공격에 대한 로저 워터스 장관의 발언과 이후 논쟁
* 🗣 ️ 로저 워터스는 이스라엘에 대한 하마스의 공격이 거짓 깃발 작전인지 의문을 제기하며 공식 내러티브에 의구심을 제기했습니다.
* 🤔 워터스의 이론은 논쟁을 불러일으켰고, 일부에서는 이스라엘 군의 대응 시간에 의문을 제기하고 다른 사람들은 하마스의 행동을 강력하게 비난했습니다.
* 💔 이스라엘 정부에 따르면 이 공격으로 1400명 이상의 이스라엘인이 사망한 것으로 집계되어 사건의 심각성이 부각되었습니다.
* 🇮🇱 이스라엘 군의 대응이 늦어진 이유는 서안지구에 집중한 나머지 가자지구 국경이 상대적으로 방어되지 않았기 때문입니다.
* 🗣 ️ 비평가들은 워터스 장관의 발언이 이스라엘 정부의 행동에 대한 정당한 의문을 제기하면서도 하마스의 잔인성에 대한 비난을 약화시켰다고 주장합니다.
* 💥 이 토론에서는 민간인 표적 공격을 포함한 하마스의 행동을 규탄하는 동시에 분쟁의 복잡성을 인정해야 할 필요성이 강조되었습니다.
* ⚖ 패널들은 점령에 대한 저항은 이해할 수 있지만, 민간인을 표적으로 삼는 것은 용납할 수 없으며 전쟁 범죄에 해당한다고 강조했습니다.
* 🕊 대화는 하마스와 이스라엘의 행동에 대한 책임을 묻는 것의 중요성과 분쟁의 정의로운 해결의 필요성을 강조하는 것으로 마무리되었습니다.

10월 7일 하마스의 이스라엘 공격은 정당화될 수 없는 공격으로 많은 이스라엘 민간인이 사망했습니다.

When the attack on October 7th in Israel happened, perpetrated by Hamas, what was your reaction to that?

Let's wait and see what happened. Well, it was my first reaction. My second reaction was, how the hell did the Israelis not know this was going to happen? And I'm still a little bit down that rabbit hole. I mean, didn't the Israeli army in those 11 or 10 camps

hear the bangs when they blew up? Whatever they had to blow up to get across the border?

There's something very fishy about that. Last week, Glenn Greenwald hosted Pink Floyd's Roger Waters

on his Rumble show, System Update, and during the context of that conversation, Waters questioned whether Hamas even conducted a terrorist attack.

Waters floated the theory that Hamas' deadly terrorist attack on October 7th, which killed over 1400 Israelis according to the Israeli government,

was actually a false flag operation. Let's watch more of what he has to say and then obviously give you the reality.

What we do know is whether it was a false flag operation or not, or whatever happened and whatever story we're going to get to, and we don't know

if we will ever get much of a real story. It's very hard to tell what actually happened.

They're calling it their 9/11. What the hell happened on the American 9/11?

Nobody knows. Clearly, the official narrative has huge holes in it. So, look, I can understand why there are so many questions in regard to the IDF

and how it took them six hours to respond to the Hamas terrorist attack, but unfortunately, the answer is pretty easy once you look into what happened.

Right. So Netanyahu had been so hyper-focused on the West Bank and protecting the settlers who had built illegal settlements in the West Bank,

that the IDF, all of the attention of the IDF was there in that area,

not at the border with the Gaza Strip. And so, once the terrorist attacks happened, it took a long time

for IDF soldiers to get to them. They were too busy providing protection for settlers, Israeli settlers in the

occupied West Bank as they were helping them guard their illegal settlements. So that was what was going on.

I mean, we have some answers. We could talk about it. I'm actually surprised that he doesn't know that. And he's not talking about the failure of the Israeli government.

Yeah. So I think guys like this are not helpful because we're trying to bring attention to the plight of the people of Gaza who are being slaughtered right now.

And so, for the average layman and people in media, they look at Roger Waters and they think, oh, he's on the left and he's criticizing Israel.

So he must be part of the critique of Israel. And so we'll judge the critique based on what he says, you know, is that exclusive?

No, of course not. But is it partially that? Yes. And it makes the critique easier to dismiss when you say crackpot things

like it's a false flag operation. Now, there are 1400 dead Israelis. I think Bibi Netanyahu is a monster, but there's no way that the rest

of the IDF and the Israeli government, even if Netanyahu was that monstrous, which I don't think he would do to his own Israeli citizens,

But even if you thought, okay, Netanyahu is willing to kill anybody, okay, how is

he going to get everybody else to participate and then kill fellow Israelis? It's inconceivable.

Totally, utterly inconceivable. Right. So, and then the idea that Hamas only killed Israeli soldiers

but left all the Israeli citizens alone. Come on. Absurd, absurd. So this doesn't help anyone.

All you're doing is muddying the waters, if you will, and, and and kind

of putting a stain on the legitimate critique of the Israeli government. Yes, that's exactly right.

And this has been the most frustrating thing because there are good, honest actors on the left. Okay.

I think, you know, Crystal Ball has been doing a great job with this story. Kyle Kulinski has been doing a good job with this story.

And I mention them because they don't make any exceptions when it comes to civilians on the Israeli side.

Okay? Innocent civilians should be protected, should never be targeted. And what Hamas did was absolutely brutal, disgusting,

and they should be brought to justice. And I hate when you have the Roger Waters types who say this nonsense

trash, garbage. Because then well-meaning individuals who are engaging in accurate critique of Israel's response to what Hamas did get lumped in with lunatics who seem

to continuously make these points that devalue the lives of Israeli civilians. I do not agree with any of that. Okay.

And I do not agree with what Roger Waters says in the next clip. So let's watch that and we'll talk about it.

Do you think what Hamas did on October 7th can be justified? Well, we don't, we don't know what they did do, but do.

Was it justified for them to resist the occupation? Yes. But again, it's what you said.

It's the Geneva Conventions. They're absolutely legally and morally bound to resist the occupation since 1967.

It's an obligation. But are there limits on the way in which they can resist? As I said in the statement that I put out after it, I said if war

crimes were committed, I condemn them. But what about targeting civilians or abducting them?

No, of course not. No, of course I don't condone that.

But that is what Hamas did. That's exactly what Hamas did.
They targeted civilians. He knows it. He knows it.

He knows it. You can't pick the facts you like and say,
"I'm only going to emphasize these,"

and I'm just going to either ignore
or lie about the other facts." So even if you thought Hamas has a right
to resist and, and hence attack

the Israeli soldiers that they attacked
and killed, you certainly—he claims he doesn't want them killing the civilians.

Good. I'm happy to hear that. But then for you to ignore the fact
that they did kill civilians, that's

awfully convenient for your position. So nobody's angels here, and pretending
that they're angels is absurd.

But a lot of Hamas
are fundamentalist Muslims. And you could say, hey, you know,
after being occupied for 56 years,

blah, blah, blah. I wouldn't make any excuse for them.
But killing civilians is wrong.

And did they do it?
Yes, they definitely did it. So that doesn't justify
the 10,000 innocent civilians that have

been brutally killed by Israel in Gaza. And you're not helping, again, our cause
in trying to protect those civilians,

because you make our arguments
easier to dismiss when you come in with outlandish ideas like "false flag operation"
and "no Israeli civilians were killed,"

those—the fact that Israeli civilians were
killed is an inconvenient fact for you. - But it's still a fact.
- It is a fact.

And also, this form of resistance has led to the slaughter of at least 10,000 innocent civilians,
4000 of whom were children.

How exactly was this
a successful resistance? Yeah, and. There's no way to—by the way,
there is no way to justify what Hamas did,

even if this led to some success,
which obviously it didn't. You don't slaughter innocent people, okay.

And this notion that everyone in Israel,
including civilians, including children, are by default guilty because they're all considered settlers?

No, we do not. I mean,
I definitely don't subscribe to it. I don't think Jenk subscribes to it.

Innocent civilians
should not be targeted on either side. And what Hamas did led to, again,
the worst possible situation for those

Palestinian civilians in Gaza right now. So people making excuses
for killing others is not helpful.

So, and because remember,
everyone has an excuse in their mind. They're right. You remember the terrorists who actually
have, unfortunately, been the most successful

terrorists probably in my lifetime was an
Israeli settler who killed Yitzhak Rabin.

Rabin was about to do a peace deal
with the Palestinians, and that could have actually alleviated
this entire situation for decades on end.

Right? It could have fixed everything. And Yitzhak Rabin was an imperfect person.
There's no question about that.

And by the way, he committed acts of terrorism
before the state of Israel was created, but he was going to do a peace deal.

And an Israeli radical fundamentalist
murdered him and prevented the peace deal.

So, but for that guy, I guarantee
you he thought he was doing God's work.

I'm doing amazing, important work
on behalf of my people. And I'm going to kill this guy
because I am morally righteous.

That's where you get into a lot of danger. When people justify
the killing of innocents, when they think

they are morally righteous,
almost never is that the case. And so, none of this excuses
what Israel has done in Gaza.

And so, as we criticize Hamas
very forcefully here, I criticize Israel just as forcefully for the slaughter
that they have unleashed upon Gaza.

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하마스 공격에 대한 초기 반응과 로저 워터스의 논란의 여지가 있는 주장

10월 7일 이스라엘에서 발생한 하마스 공격에 대한 초기 반응은 이스라엘의 준비 부족에 대한 놀라움 등 다양했습니다.

이스라엘의 정보 실패와 선제공격 가능성에 관한 질문.

로저 워터스가 글렌 그린월드 쇼에 출연하여 공격의 본질에 의문을 제기했습니다.

워터스는 이 공격이 허위 신고 작전이었다고 주장했습니다.

상충되는 서술과 명확한 정보 부족으로 인해 사건의 진상을 파악하는 데 어려움이 있습니다.

이스라엘의 대응 시간 및 IDF 배치에 대한 설명

공격에 대한 IDF의 대응이 6시간 지연된 것에 대해 설명합니다.

불법 정착촌의 정착민을 보호하는 데 집중하기 위해 IDF 자원이 서안지구에 집중되었다는 설명입니다.

워터스가 이스라엘군 배치에 대한 인식 부족과 서안지구에 대한 집중에 놀라움을 금치 못했습니다.

로저 워터스의 발언과 그 영향에 대한 비판

워터스 장관의 발언이 가자지구 주민들의 곤경에 집중하려는 노력을 방해한다는 우려도 있습니다.

워터스의 주장이 이스라엘에 대한 정당한 비판을 어떻게 더 쉽게 무시하게 만드는지 분석합니다.

이스라엘 민간인 사상자 수가 많다는 이유로 거짓 깃발 이론이 반박되었습니다.

상황에 대한 균형 잡힌 정확한 비평을 제공하는 다른 해설자를 소개합니다.

하마스의 행동에 대한 강력한 비난과 정의의 필요성을 강조합니다.

하마스의 행동과 민간인 사상자 정당화에 대한 추가 논의

점령에 저항할 권리는 인정하지만 민간인 표적 공격을 비난하는 하마스의 행동이 정당화될 수 있는지에 대한 토론이 진행되었습니다.

내러티브를 뒷받침하기 위해 사실을 선택적으로 선택하는 것에 대한 비판.

민간인 살상에 대한 변명을 거부하고 상황에 관계없이 잘못된 행동임을 강조합니다.

이러한 발언이 가자지구의 팔레스타인 민간인을 보호하려는 노력을 약화시킨다고 주장합니다.

민간인 사상자가 많은 상황에서 하마스의 저항 전략이 성공할 수 있을지 의문입니다.

모든 이스라엘인이 연루되어 유죄라는 생각을 거부합니다.

무고한 사람을 죽이는 것에 대해 변명하는 것은 도움이 되지 않고 해롭다는 점을 강조합니다.

폭력을 정당화하는 것의 위험성을 설명하기 위해 이츠하크 라빈 암살 사건을 예로 들어 설명합니다.

하마스와 이스라엘의 행동에 대한 강력한 비난.