이민과 투표에 대한 엘론 머스크의 논란의 여지가 있는 견해

### 일론 머스크의 논란의 여지가 있는 정치적 예측과 이민 논쟁
* 🗣 엘론 머스크는 최근 공화당원들이 도널드 트럼프에게 투표하지 않으면 **이번 선거가 '마지막 선거'**가 될 수 있다고 주장해 큰 논란을 불러일으켰습니다.
* 🤔 비평가들은 **머스크의 견해가 이민과 인구 통계에 대한 오해**를 반영하고 있으며, 복잡한 정치적 역학을 지나치게 단순화한다고 주장합니다.
* 📈 그는 특히 민주당 정책으로 인해 **특히 스윙 스테이트에서 민주당에 투표할 가능성이 있는 이민자들이 유입**되어 일당 체제가 형성될 수 있다고 언급했습니다.
* 💬 그러나 인구 통계학적 변화와 관계없이 선거는 계속될 것이므로 **'마지막 선거'라는 주장은 과장된 것**이며 심각한 근거가 부족하다고 생각하는 사람들이 많습니다.
* 🧠 일부 논평가들은 **보수주의자들이 이민자 집단에 호소하지 못하는 것**이 진짜 문제이며, 이는 스스로 만들어낸 문제라고 주장합니다.
* 📊 통계에 따르면 이민자들은 좌파 성향의 투표를 하는 경향이 있지만, 이는 이민자들의 고정된 이념적 입장보다는 **잠재적 유권자들을 소외시키는 보수적 수사**에 기인하는 경우가 많습니다.
* 🚫 이 토론에서는 **이민의 경제적 혜택과 현지 근로자의 우려**를 모두 해결하는 포괄적인 이민 개혁의 필요성에 대해서도 다룹니다.
* 📰 마지막으로, 이민과 정치 문제에 대한 대중의 인식을 형성하는 데 있어 **미디어 편향의 중요성**을 강조하며, 복잡한 상황을 이해하기 위해 **객관적인 뉴스 소스의 필요성**을 강조합니다.

이민과 투표에 대한 일론 머스크의 주장은 정치적 역학 관계에 대한 잘못된 이해를 반영한 것으로 일축됩니다.

Elon Musk just sat down with Tucker Carlson for about two hours, the better part of two hours. He also recently spoke at a Trump rally off the cuff. On both occasions, he said that if Republicans do not get out and vote for Donald Trump, this will be the last election.

What do you make of that? He's just an idiot. I thought I was supposed to have communism after eight years of Obama, and then I thought I was getting communism after four years of Biden. Still hasn't happened. I thought we were getting a wall after four years of Trump. Didn't happen. I thought we were getting a balanced budget after eight years of Bush and four years of Trump. Didn't happen. Like, it's just [ __ ] talking points that mean nothing. I must say I was shocked to hear such extreme

language. Um, and again, even just from a point of optics, I mean, if if if that's what he believes, then fine. But to get up and say this will be the last election, I find that sort of difficult to believe that he could take it seriously. But

listening to him on Tucker, he's making a very specific point about border crossings. He's making a very specific, he's not saying that there won't literally be elections again. His point is that Democratic policy is opening up the border, flooding the country with

immigrants who will be fast-tracked to green cards and then citizenship, specifically shipped into swing states where the states can be decided by tens of thousands of votes. Shipping in hundreds of thousands of people who will vote Democrat, even though they might be culturally more right-wing where they

come from their top priority is going to be getting their family to come and live with them and so they're always going to vote blue and so if we vote Democrat we get four more years of flooding the border with immigrants who are going to vote blue uh thereby flooding

the border with even more immigrants who are always going to vote blue setting up what Elon Musk predicts will be like a essentially a one-party country in the way that California is in effect de facto a one-party state that's the specific point that he's making so when

he says this will be the last election he means that this will be the last election with uh a meaningful discrepancy between right-wing and left-wing voters on issues other than just trying to get their families to come and live with them do you think

there's any credence in what he's said no I think that Elon Musk is a 97 IQ man who masquerades as a 137 IQ man and all of his followers are 85 IQ so they all believe that he's as smart as he says he

is he wouldn't be able to pass a Civics 101 test um the man is just astoundingly [ __ ] stupid when it comes to talking about anything outside of his very narrow set of expertise which just seems to be creating a whole bunch of children

with a whole bunch of women so nothing that he says we again we've been hearing the same arguments for decades um even what conservatives say I just caught a guy trying to make this dog [ __ ] argument before about bringing in certain types of immigrants that will

only vote liberal every immigrant votes for liberals because conservatives are [  __  ] insane and that's their fault if you can't find a way to appeal to anybody that comes into this country that's not bought in and indoctrinated with your political ideology from birth

that sounds like a [  __  ] you problem because I I caught a guy doing oh I don't want a bunch of brown Haitian black whatever immigrants coming it's like oh really you think people coming from [  __  ] Norway and Sweden are

voting for Donald Trump you think people immigrating from Italy or France or Germany or Poland even are voting for Donald Trump no this is not happening nobody from around the world comes to the United States like man Donald Trump this guy seems like he's making some

real good point I'm going to vote conservative doesn't really happen so every immigrant group and you can go look at the poll uh at the Pew polling field there's like every immigrant group votes left that's the conservative problem and by the way there's not even

a real reason why that has to be the case because if conservatives would just not be [  __  ] racist they actually have a lot in common with immigrant groups especially when it comes to social values if you look at stuff like trans stuff you think it's a bunch of of brown

immigrants from South America that are championing no it's white kids right it's ex almost exclusively these like young white college kids that are non-binary and blue hair and all this [  __  ] so this is like again this is conservatives creating their own problem

uh and then getting super assmad about it but again the idea that there's like this significant demographic change for people coming to this country I no like what are we going to do shut down all immigration like is even worse now than it was in the past uh you know we've got

an issue with asylum seeking right now we tried to fix it but Republicans shut that bill down so apparently they don't give a [ __ ] about it too much because they wanted to keep the issue open for Donald Trump to run on so I guess they

don't actually care um I have no sympathy and Elon Musk is an idiot so I wouldn't trust anything he says whatsoever about immigration or the border you said the idea demographic demographic shift you said I I sort of don't buy into it do you mean the idea

that it's happening or the idea that it's bad um the idea that it's happening at some unprecedented rate the idea that it's even necessarily a bad thing and the idea that it can't be like politically accounted for there is no reason why brown people or black people

or or people of color coming from other countries have to vote Democrat and can't vote Republican right right like Republicans are the ones that say over and over again Trump is doing better with black voters than anyone else okay well keep doing that then appeal to them

why can you not appeal to people that aren't white uh you know rural voter you should be able to do this I quibble with what you said about like European immigrants because I mean Europe has been having something of a perceivable shift to the right um is quite hard to

track as the elections keep surprising us um but I I don't know maybe like nationalists are more likely to stay at home because they're nationalists like potentially sure but I mean it still plays into my point people aren't immigrating white immigrants don't come

from Europe to for conservatives in the United States where there are immigrants immigrating into a country of course there could be so many reasons why they're voting left maybe it's just because they're all really reasonable people and left-wing parties are eminently more reasonable and that's

why immigrants are voting left on the whole do you not think it could possibly have something to do with them wanting to support their family coming over the border something to do with you know immigration welfare this kind of stuff that the United States sucks for welfare we're [ __ ] country when it comes to

welfare like no people immigrate illegally to the United States usually because they're looking to work and they're looking for employment opportunities I think we need an immigration overhaul but nobody wants to get sit down and actually do it um to

make it easier to come in and out of the country the very least for like work visas so people don't feel the need to illegally immigrate to the country but um people aren't like the idea this is just it's the most [ __ ] American thing in

the world I think that people are coming here to get our excellent [ __ ] welfare benefits it's absolutely not the case I mean I know that you obviously don't agree with Elon Musk let's put it that way but but there's there's no

cause for concern like even a sliver the idea that people that there might be a sort of self-reinforcing policy in politics that is self-reinforcing in the sense that if we vote for these people they bring in these people who vote for

the same people who bring in more of those people ultimately culminating in this self-fulfilling sort of democratic I mean I guess like I guess theoretically that can happen but like that can happen in so many different ways right like who like who's to say

that when um like here like here would be an example like liberals broadly speaking support things like abortion aren't you aborting like most of your voter base like isn't it generally minorities or people you know they always talk about the black Holocaust as abortion aren't

black voters generally Democrat so if we think that people are specifically choosing policies just to increase their voter base why do Democrats support abortion right that's an example of a policy that Republicans want to fight against as hard as possible that hurts them electorally so I don't think that

people are necessarily making you know the argument that we should allow in more immigrants because we know they're going to vote for us and that also that can be a workaround or a thing that you do for immigration overhaul again maybe you make it so that people can come in for

work visas but they can't vote um because they're just you know on temporary visas or maybe the path to citizenship is you know 10 years out or something or or a little bit harder than just residency I don't know there are ways to counter that but it can't be we

It can't be that your country's immigration policy should be centered around the well-being of the country. It can't be centered around your party being too [ __ ] racist to appeal to a huge demographic of voters coming

from other parts of the world. [ __ ] You leave, go somewhere else if if your idea of good immigration is we can't have too many people coming in that don't match our racist, you know, ideology, then [ __ ] you, we're actively making ourselves

worse. And we already have restrictions on immigration. Like, I think it's 7% per country is like the cap or something like that. It's not like we'll take like 50 million legal Mexican immigrants in one time. Do you think immigration is too high? I don't even know what that means and

nobody that is even debating it knows what that means. Like the the problem is that when when you get into these types of conversations, you really have to you really need to get in the weeds about what you're saying. Like, so for instance, somebody says immigration too high, well

for what? It grows the economy because labor is one of the most productive and important inputs to your economy. So, in that sense, our GDP grows and our economy grows. Fiscally, it tends to be pretty beneficial because immigrants tend to be young and they work as young people.

Right? They're not old and consuming a ton of healthcare like older people are. Um, in terms of cost of housing, probably be negative. It's probably driving prices up a bit because wherever they go, there's going to be an increased demand for houses. Um, in terms of opportunity

for locals depending on what the unemployment is you could have immigrants that are competing with local workers you know Tech workers complain about H1B immigrants some poor people in the South will complain about competing with undocumented immigrants for work um to say that it's necessarily all good or all bad or

even good or bad it really depends particularly on the issue that you're talking about it was discussed in the VP debate recently and housing came up as one example um but it was also said that more than 50% or around 50% of

Americans support mass deportations I seriously doubt that which kind of stunned me as a statistic I I I don't know if it's true but like I mean that would surprise you if it were true I don't think that's true my guess is if I

could dig into that poll or whatever it's citing it probably says something like would you be in favor of deporting every undocumented immigrant with like a violent felony or felony conviction or whatever in which case I even I would be in favor of that yeah [ __ ] you if you're going to

illegally immigrate in here and then commit a [ __ ] felony it's time to go yeah of course I mean do you think that there's a reasonable case to be made for the the sort of broad idea that immigration is too high that isn't based

on just like emotive racist right-wing like paranoia I don't know if I would say it's based on par on racist paranoia but it is based on paranoia like we said earlier it's an aesthetic right in terms of or the presentation of reality is

aesthetic um Shane Gillis is a funny bit you know where he's talking about Trump and everything about how you know my dad and Pennsylvania is oddly concerned with the border and he's very obsessed with illegal immigration you know like an illegal is going to walk up to Pennsylvania and threaten his job you know I could tell you right now there are 5 million illegals crossing the border yesterday or I could tell you it was 5,000 last year you would have no idea you no way to track that you have

no way to know that it's hard to know where this even shows up in people's lives um yeah there was a good YouGov poll in like how do you feel about the Outlook of the economy and the uh or how are you doing in the economy and it was

like as soon as Trump was elected uh versus Biden and then when Biden was reelected again it flips completely where all of a sudden like as soon as Trump is like when the economy was starting to do um good it is doing good now but when it was doing good I think a

couple years ago and the stock market started to shoot up Trump said that the reason why was because people thought that he was going to get elected again so now the stock market is up like it's it's people are totally untethered from reality yeah I I see a lot of people um

do do you have any thoughts about the relevance of demographic change I mean I constantly see statistics being thrown around about how like white people are going to become a minority by 2100 or whatever it may be again same question do you think that this is just sort of racist

paranoia or do you think there's any legitimate concern in this? I think that good people can be driven to legitimate concern, but I don't think there is true legitimate concern. Who cares? Like, this is a country that is founded on immigration, um, right now I said this

when I was talking to Sam Harris, like, I've been told for decades that immigrants that don't share my values are going to overwhelm my country and either do Sharia law or Hispanic law or whatever the [ __ ] is going to come and

destroy our country, and right now the biggest threat to democracy in the United States is is largely white conservatives. They share less in line with me politically and in terms of American values than any immigrant that illegally jumped a fence to come over here and work, so no, I I I think it's a I don't

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엘론 머스크의 정치적 발언과 그 해석

머스크는 최근 인터뷰에서 공화당원들이 트럼프에게 투표하지 않으면 이번 선거가 마지막 선거가 될 것이라고 말했습니다.

화자는 머스크의 발언을 의미 없는 말이라고 일축하며 극단적인 표현에 놀라움을 표합니다.

연사는 지난 선거에 대한 머스크의 발언에 대해 그의 진심에 의문을 제기합니다.

국경을 넘는 것에 대한 머스크의 발언과 그 정치적 의미에 대해 논의합니다.

이민과 선거에 대한 머스크의 주장 분석

머스크의 주장은 민주당의 국경 개방 정책으로 인해 민주당에 투표할 가능성이 있는 이민자들이 유입될 것이라는 주장에 초점을 맞추고 있습니다.

연사는 이민자 출신 민주당 유권자의 증가로 인해 일당 체제가 될 것이라는 머스크의 예측을 설명합니다.

연사는 지난 선거에 대한 머스크의 주장에 대한 신뢰성에 의문을 제기합니다.

연사는 머스크가 자신의 전문 분야를 벗어난 지능과 지식을 가지고 있다고 비판합니다.

연사는 모든 이민자가 진보적인 투표를 한다는 생각을 반박하며 이민과 투표 패턴의 복잡성을 강조합니다.

연사는 보수주의의 문제는 인종 차별에 대한 인식으로 인해 이민자 집단에 호소하지 못하는 데 있다고 주장합니다.

인구 통계학적 변화의 내러티브와 그 의미에 대한 반박

연사는 전례 없는 인구 통계학적 변화와 그 부정적인 영향에 대해 이야기합니다.

연사는 유색인종이 민주당에 투표해야 하는 본질적인 이유는 없다고 주장합니다.

연사는 유럽 이민과 투표 패턴의 복잡성에 대해 설명합니다.

연사는 좌파 정당과 가족 지원의 합리성 등 이민자들이 좌파에 투표하는 잠재적인 이유를 탐구합니다.

연사는 이민자들이 복지 혜택을 받기 위해 미국으로 온다는 생각에 이의를 제기하며 취업 기회의 중요성을 강조합니다.

자기 강화 정책 논쟁과 그 타당성 다루기

연사는 이민 정책으로 인한 자기 강화적 정치 사이클에 대해 의문을 제기합니다.

연사는 낙태 정책의 예를 들어 정당이 항상 유권자 기반을 늘리기 위해서만 정책을 선택하는 것은 아니라는 점을 설명합니다.

연사는 낙태 정책의 예를 들어 정당들이 표를 얻기 위해 이민 정책을 조작한다는 주장에 반박합니다.

연사는 투표권이 없는 시민권이나 취업 비자에 대한 더 엄격한 경로 등 이민 정책에 대한 대안적인 접근 방식을 제안합니다.

연사는 이민 정책은 유권자에게 어필할 수 있는 정당의 능력에 기반해야 한다는 생각을 비판합니다.

발표자는 '이민자가 너무 많다'는 표현의 모호함과 구체적인 분석의 필요성을 지적합니다.

연사는 GDP 성장과 재정적 혜택 등 이민의 경제적 이점에 대해 설명합니다.

연사는 주거비 증가와 일자리 경쟁 등 이민의 잠재적인 부정적 영향을 인정합니다.

연사는 이민의 전반적인 영향은 복잡하며 특정 사안에 따라 달라진다고 강조합니다.

발표자는 미국인의 50% 이상이 대량 추방을 지지한다는 통계에 대해 회의적인 입장을 표명합니다.

이민 및 인구 통계학적 변화에 대한 우려 해결

연사는 이민에 대한 우려가 인종주의에만 근거한 것이 아니라 편집증과 현실 인식에 근거한 것일 수도 있음을 인정합니다.

연사는 일화를 통해 불법 이민의 위협에 대한 인식과 현실 사이의 괴리를 설명합니다.

연사가 정치적 리더십에 따라 경제에 대한 대중의 의견 변화를 보여주는 YouGov 여론 조사에 대해 설명합니다.

연사는 경제 지표에 대한 대중의 현실과의 괴리감에 대해 언급합니다.

연사는 인구 통계학적 변화와 백인의 다수 인구 감소에 대한 우려에 대해 언급합니다.

연사는 정치적 스펙트럼에 걸쳐 뉴스 기사를 비교하고 미디어 편향성을 관리할 수 있는 플랫폼인 Ground News를 홍보합니다.

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선거일에 주방위군과 군대를 동원하겠다는 트럼프의 제안을 보도하는 여러 뉴스 매체의 보도 방식을 예로 들어보겠습니다.

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