아메리카 원주민의 토지 권리와 역사적 폭력 토론

### 아메리카 원주민과 전쟁의 복잡한 역사
* 🏞 "만약 제가 재임 중이었다면 **아메리카 원주민들은 당장 많은 땅을 되찾았을 겁니다.**"
* 💼 아메리카 원주민은 그들 자신은 물론 다른 집단과도 갈등과 영토 분쟁의 역사를 가지고 있어 **토지 보상이라는 개념을 복잡하게** 만듭니다.
* ⚔ 예를 들어, 코만치족은 **전사 문화**로 유명하여 다른 부족을 습격하고 전투를 벌였으며, 종종 **잔인한 결과**를 초래하기도 했습니다.
* 🌍 이러한 역사적 맥락은 아메리카 원주민 문화의 낭만화에 대한 의문을 제기하며, 이는 종종 **그들의 존재에 내재된 폭력성**을 간과합니다.
* 🦠 또한 유럽인들의 도착으로 **천연두와 같은 질병이 유입**되어 원주민 인구가 몰살당하는 비극적인 아이러니가 발생했습니다.
* 📜 콜럼버스의 이야기를 포함한 역사적 기록은 원주민에게 저지른 끔찍한 행위를 드러내며 **발견과 진보의 이야기에 도전**합니다.
* 🌐 인류 갈등의 순환적 특성은 역사적으로 **강자가 약자를 침략하고 정복하는 패턴**이 끊임없이 이어져 왔으며, 이러한 패턴은 현대에도 지속되고 있습니다.
* ⚡ 문명의 발전에도 불구하고 인류는 여전히 부족적 사고방식에 사로잡혀 있으며, 오늘날 전 세계에서 **폭력과 전쟁이 계속**되고 있습니다.

인류의 역사는 전쟁과 정복의 끊임없는 순환을 통해 문명을 형성하는 동시에 인간의 미개한 본능을 드러냅니다.

if I was ever in office dude the Native Americans are getting a lot of land back immediately dude well they already have casinos huh they already have casinos yeah but they want casinos I want I want them to have back whatever they want getting back they're getting the rivers

back they're getting the Lakes back they were taking it from each other too dude it's like no I agree everybody act like Native Americans were like everybody's just like whistling and just shaking hands but they were fighting yeah 100% but you would have to figure out like

who owned it like at that time yeah and give it back to them and then you would have to let all those other people try to kill them and get it back cuz if you want to go back to the old ways that's the old ways you want to go back to when

the Comanche ran Texas like okay good luck but you know what the Comanche's favorite thing was doing raiding other tribes they loved that they were gang bangers yeah they were gang bangers they would show up in other tribes and slaughter people and that they wouldn't

just slaughter people they would torture them they would cut their arms and legs off throw them on a pile of fire nobody ever surrendered ever because they knew that there was no leniency you're going to be tortured and killed oh fight to the death 100% fight not being able to

surrender cuz you have no choice but to fight to the death that's the concept of surrender was completely alien to Native Americans they fought to the death and they fought each other to the death and there was battles between all of them and they they conquered and they made

alliances and you know especially Little Big Horn, they all got together and wiped out Custer, but there's so many different tribes that conquered so many different... and you'd have to go back to when, when well you got it, because you killed all these people. Let's go back to the

Algonquins. Let's give it to the Apaches. Let's get like you'd have to figure it out, man. Like this was a this was a tickle a dream to get the truth. This was really like, in some ways other than the violence, it was like a utopian existence.

It was these people followed the buffalo around, ate every part of it, used their skins to make their houses, traveled on horseback, follow them around. They didn't even make art, dude. The the Comanche didn't make art. They didn't make anything. Why? They were just warriors.

Just warriors, eating meat. All they did was eat buffalo and kill everybody else. So if you so so is it weird though that we feel bad about that? Like is that a trap? Like that's what I'm wondering. Does that make does that question make sense to you? Well, that was the way they lived.

You know, I mean, is that better than drone bombs in Yemen? You know, when we sit here comfortably in this Austin warehouse, is it better? Is that better? No, the whole thing is it's that Gaza is going on. It's that they're using these these poor Ukrainians like meat for the

Russian war machine. The whole thing's crazy. It's all bad. But the crazy that was going on back then was a one-on-one crazy. It's a different kind of crazy. It was like there was an understanding that if you saw somebody and they had horses

or they had these, you're going to go kill them and take that thing from them. And if you knew that there was a camp and the camp was over the top of the Ridge and they would be in bed at night, you would come in the middle of the

night and slow slaughter every one. And they did that to each other. They did that to each other, so it was a horrific way of existing. 'Cause sometimes there's this, there's this vision that you, um, romanticize that culture, right? I do that a lot. I romanticize things that I don't

know about, right? Because there just seems like something like, oh, that's romantic or something, you know? These were, this was a culture of Warriors. It was hide-and-seek for real. It was a culture of Warriors, like this whole country was filled with nomadic

Warriors. Yeah, wow. And most of them got killed by smallpox. That's what's crazy. Most of them got killed by the flu and all sorts of diseases that came over with the Europeans. How gay must that have felt, dude? You're a Warrior, right?

Suddenly, you get a sneeze on you at the Depot. You go to the trading Depot to drop off some skins. Some dude sneezes on you, and that's a wrap. Yeah, you're like, you've been training all day, dude. Some

guy just doesn't wash his feet for half an afternoon or just came here off a boat, stinky. Was breathing air and drinking water, you know? Like, you imagine the hygiene on those boats. Oh, Columbus, it was like the first Burning Man, dude. That place was a dump. Dude, I

heard the penta didn't even have any chicks on it dude it's like there's an example Columbus is an example could you have done it I mean probably if you lived back then that would have been a thing to do because you would have been

bored but you're in the it's early morning you would have wanted to try you would have wanted to try to see what it looks like to go across the ocean if you were a young man and you just needed something in your life and you knew the dudes did

it and you just eat beef jerky for three months and you make it across the ocean and when you get to the other side is there's Gold Everywhere they didn't even know where they were yeah but if you read the accounts there was a a priest

that traveled with them some sort of religious man that traveled with them that kept like a detailed Diary of their the horrific things that Columbus' men did they bashed babies on the Rocks they yeah yeah yeah they told certain men that they had to give they had to give

them their weight in gold and if they did they would chop dude's arms off in front of everybody they enslaved these people and used them for their gold cuz these people had no use for gold they didn't know how valuable gold was you mean when they got to the Americas

exactly exactly yeah people they just slaughtered people they just slaughtered people dude there's horrific depictions of what Columbus's people did we were romanticize nature so much and it's really vulgar isn't it well it's just humans have always done this

to each other and for all of human history, the strong groups of men with weapons invade people that aren't prepared, and they take all their stuff and they conquer them. And it's always happened. It's it's the the most common thing if you go back and look at history.

There's a bunch of common things. There's um an increase in the complexity of architecture and the design of the cities. There's machines. There's all these different things improve, but along the way, the consistent thing is war. It's constantly happening from the beginning

of time, as early as we know, tribes were battling other tribes. And back then when there wasn't that many people, wasn't that many resources, and you were competing to see whose genes spread. It's just natural. He developed tools and weapons, and then that's ingrained in our

DNA. So here we are in 2024 with iPhones 16s and Starlink, and we're still locked into this tribal war mindset because that's how humans evolved, right? And that's the scariest thing about being alive today is that we're so advanced,

we're so much more civilized than at any other point in human history, and yet the same amount of people, if not more, are dying senselessly all the time, right? Like we're civilized on the outside, but there's a part of us that is will always

be uncivilized. Yeah, well, the part of it is war, right? And other parts of the world are not as calm as us. You know, there's parts of the world that are very dangerous. Yeah, they the the the you know, there's places of the world where you

can't go without getting robbed or shot yeah Memphis first of all I'll say that is Memphis that bad Memphis is bad dude that's where Elvis came from huh Is it where Elvis came from and he left it changed Where's Graceland actually Graceland you know what's crazy about Graceland

dude it's in Memphis and it's cool You go out they let you in the backyard after the tour and Elvis's grave is right there you could smoke right in front of Elvis's grave You smoke 17 cm from Elvis's grave or 80 cm That movie that

Elvis movie was so good which one uh the one where Tom Hanks plays the Colonel Did you didn't see that one Oh yeah with that dude what is his name Austin Col what's the the Fell's name that played Elvis Austin Butler Austin Butler is

really good man He nailed it He was really good You really believed that he was Elvis What a crazy story yeah for

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