our first guest tonight is a 22-year-old singer and songwriter who, in her spare time, collects Grammy and Academy Awards. This is her latest album. It's called Hit Me Hard and Soft, and the Hit Me Hard and Soft World Tour starts September 29th in Quebec. Please welcome Billy Ish. [Applause] Well, thanks for being here. It's good to see you. Me too. How's it? How was your summer? How did you do anything fun this summer? I just did summer stuff all summer. Summer stuff at home or summer stuff out on the road? On at home. At home, yeah, because you're going out on the road. Yeah, and why would you for a long time, right? Yes, well, I have. It's in chunks, so I have like a few weeks on, a few weeks off. Oh, that's nice. That's nice. Keep myself, you know, sane, 'cause it's a year-long tour, and I think people, because I talked to a lot of musicians, a lot of bands about like being away from home for a long time, and some of them are

just like I just some I need to open the mail. I know well that's the thing. I really don't. The thing is I don't ever want to not enjoy it, and I love tour so much and the mail or the tour, the mail, the mail, yeah. But so I just don't want to ever resent it, and I feel like if you go for too long, you start hating yourself. How'd you get so smart at 22 years old? I mean I really feel like you had it figured out the first time I met you. All the talk shows in the... Is that what it is? It helps you think it through. Being... Was I really stupid the first time? The first time? No, you weren't. You were never stupid at all. I was a... Like no, there was one thing, but it was not stupid. It's just you're young. You're young. It was more that I was kind of playing up though like I'm little stupid little kid. Oh, you were little interesting, and now you got glass, and now you're really yeah.

they yeah your new album uh went platinum today. Did you know that? Yeah, I was holding it last night and suddenly it felt much heavier. Now, in the olden times, we would um they what they would do was they'd spray paint the album Platinum and they'd put it in a plaque and then they they'd put it up on the wall and you'd have a platinum album on the wall. Did they do that anymore? I don't know. We should do it. Well, if you don't have one, then they don't do it. I don't think. I don't. I think that sounds more fun to me. Call the record company and demand it. In fact, I'm sure they're working on it right now. Okay, and also this album and another thing that I just notice actually is it used to be two sides to the album. Now it's just this is the album. This is the whole deal right here, right? That was a choice CU. I wanted to. It's short. It's pretty short. Like, it's not too many songs. The

songs themselves are pretty long, but it's only 10 songs. If there was, we actually specifically had to be under like 44 minutes total. Um, you did. Why? Yeah, because I wanted it to be done as fast as possible. So if it was under 44 minutes, it could be one side, and then it could be done in three months. What's on the other side? Nothing. There's no other side. So wait, is bald on the other side? No, when there's two sides, it's all glued together. You don't even know this. When there's two sides, it's two vinyls, Jimmy. No, when it's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. I was a disc jockey for a long time. The vinyl has two sides, but it's just those songs. Okay. Oh, so you still have two sides. There's two sides, but usually it's two vinyl. I think they tricked you is what happened. Try to get the album shorter. I do like though that you still make albums because I think a lot of artists are like, I'm just going to

release single after single as I make them right. Is that important to you to have albums? Very important. There's nothing wrong with any of that stuff, but I've always been such an album lover, and I really love when something feels like one piece and is cohesive and is thought through. Specifically with this album, a lot of it is so thought through, like even the set list and all the songs and the order of them and where they sit is like extreme. We really worked hard on it. When you are arranging the set list, how do you approach that exactly? It really is like a long process. I'll write down all the names, and then I'll tear them up, and then I'll move them, and then move them, and then change them around, and then take some out and put them back in to make sure that it feels right. Then I'll listen to them back to back, and then sometimes they'll sound wrong, and I'll move them. It's all

about like Dynamics and like the flow, the flow of it, and also then once we choose it, it's making all of the songs kind of go into themselves, so they all flow like, you know, the White Album by The Beatles is one of my favorites in the world, and something I love so much about it is it's cohesive, it's like, right, it's like every song goes into the next song, and that there's just not much of that anymore. I feel like it's like single, single, single, single, single, you're right, and I like that you think about that. Do you go on like Spotify or whatever the platform is and see how many listens each song has and then wonder like which one is your favorite of the songs on this album? My favorite, um, you got skinny, you got lunch, got blind so I can't see, chiro, birds of a feather, Wildflower, the greatest, Lam more Dei, the diner, Bittersweet and blue, um, did I pronounce poorly? Well, you know, somebody asked me if they're, if it's like all like a, they're all in a

horse race and one of them like they're like trying to get to first place in my head, and it's almost as if it was like a horse race, but all the horses were really happy to be running, and also there was none of them cared about being first. You know what these do sound like horse race horse games. They totally do, but I just mean that like I love them all so much. I mean this is my favorite thing I've ever made, and I feel so proud of it. And like yeah, I have you know the greatest is something I love so much, Shiro. I love, but again even when I say the songs that I like a lot, like I love them all so much, and I'm not trying to you. I love them all so much. I listen. I believe you. Why wouldn't you love them? Why you probably wouldn't have put them on the album if you didn't, right? I mean it's got to be weird AR. It's like yeah, I'm going to. I love eight of them.

and then the other seven are garbage. Yeah, um, you also seem to love your fans. In fact, we have a video that one of your fans posted. I know it sounds silly to say you love your fans because everybody claims they love their fans, but most artists don't like their fans at all. Yeah, and um, but here's a video from when you left our show last time. [Music] How are [Applause] you so good. Oh my God, wait, how you doing? I'm good, how are you? I'm good. It's been a minute, December, December, DEC. I just went to London for you when I was at mom was like, So you recognize these women now and like know them? Yeah, you do? Yeah, well, what's been so cool is that like all of these fans, all of my little family, um, have been like, we've been growing up at the same time. And so, you know, so many kids, espe, especially in LA, just 'cause I'm from here and I'm around and stuff, like when I was first starting out, there would be like certain kids

that I would see at everything I would do, and we were all the same age, and so they would come to stuff, and I would see them like multiple times a year, and then not for a couple of years, and then I'd see them again, and like over the years, I've seen the same faces multiple times, and like there's some in here, there's some outside, like I recognize them, obviously, I'm like a person with eyes, and it's so special, like it feels like seeing, you know, my old friend again. This is what happens when I leave the show. Let me see. Oh my God, we love you, Jimmy. Oh, this is why I'm not beloved. Billy Ish is here. We'll be right back. Back with Billy Ish. The Hit Me Hard and Soft World Tour starts in Quebec. Why Quebec? Um, on September 29th. Why there? 'Cause it's awesome there. Okay, it is awesome there. It's like an underrated spot. Yeah, yeah. I have no choice in where the tour starts, but oh, but I love Canada. You love

Canada all right well yeah Canada's good you um you brought us a clip of your brother Phineas and who's your songwriting partner and brothers well obviously working on this is can you want to explain what we're about to see because no one's seen this before yeah um so this is a video that I took on my phone in um the back of the SUV in Brazil um on the way to doing a show in Brazil a year and a half ago and this is a thing I mean this is like a very Norm Al thing for me and fine is that we we're always finding ourselves working in the most kind of random places I mean we talked about it all the time but like you know not no time to die for James Bond was like we recorded that in the tour bus in the bunk in the dark like we're always and you know we've recorded in like little hotels in El Paso it's nothing like that cool but it's fun cuz it's so casual and normal and we were

just in the back of this car, and it's Phineas's laptop, and like, yeah, well, let's take a [Music] look. So, you're just leaving [Music] like, so there's an, and that's like missing, so it's annoying. It's even [Applause] better then. I think maybe on that, the computer dies, maybe just me. Oh [Music] no power failure, so that's lost. Yeah, so that was birds of a feather, which we worked on. I mean, we obviously worked on the whole album for a long period of time, and but that song just never felt right, and we kept working on it and adding things to it and taking things away, and there's so many different versions, and what's funny or not funny but interesting and kind of special about that video to me is that it's such an old version of the song that I don't really even remember, and it sounds so different, and it's just really amazing to see how far the song's come. Do you ever go back and listen to an old

version and go. Oh, I like the old version better. It's almost always horribly terrible. It is, yeah, yeah. I have the old version of Birds of Feather. It's absolute poo. So, no is the answer then, huh? Yeah, yeah, no, yeah. Well, that's good. You don't want to live like that for sure. No, I don't, yeah. All right, well, and you, I know. Do you draw? I've seen videos of you online drawing. Yeah, do you design your, do you have any hand in designing what your set looks like on tour, on a tour like this? Um, I haven't. I don't draw stuff for it, but I should start. Um, but I work with a company called Moment Factory that I've been working with since I was like 16 or so, 17, I'm not sure. And they are amazing. They pitch you ideas. It's like a whole thing. It's like, it's almost like making an album in a way. It's like, feels like I'm making an album with them, and we're making a stage.

and visuals, and it's a super collaborative process, and I'm ridiculously involved in a way that I wish that I could just not be, but I love it though. So, when you guys are in like the back seat working on the album, they're in the seat behind you working on what it might. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, well, it's great to have you here. Thanks for coming. The world tour starts September 29th, The Hit Me Hard and Soft Tour, and this is the album Hit Me Hard and Soft. Billy is everybody. We'll be back with Adam Kinger. [Applause]

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