Commando only wait what what is [Music] this 85 monster te 35 roll of pennies 442 hardlight afterburners yo it's tied to FPS you're right massive Rod the ram rod that comes down from outer space bro everything is tied to the FPS so welcome to the chump SH now guys we have to make this official right hello ah gotcha gotcha good thing I'm a video gamer hello everybody 15 minutes later hello everybody and welcome to a bug tier list for risk of rain 2 secrets of the storm DLC if you did not know in its current state boom these are the reviews not looking too hot is it so I figured let's get in there and talk about the most egregious so we're going to have a totally fair and balanced ranking of each and every bug based on the widespread effect how many people does it affect and also how egregious is the bug is it a soft block or is it like you literally can't finish the Run do you

just straight up fall over and die and lose. Let's dive in. So, we have a whole list here of a bunch of bugs with video examples to boot. Let's start here with the first one in no particular order. We're just going to go down the line here: loader physics. So, if you don't know what this is, this is what it looks like. Stage one: no items whatsoever. Lo, obviously, yeah dude, you're not. I got it, I got it that time. You're obviously not supposed to move this fast. You don't even know with no items whatsoever. The loader physics bug is tied to your FPS, which means if you at higher frame rate, you get more acceleration. You bump your frame rate down, you cap it at 30, it'll be regular. Very easy to replicate, very widespread. It's actually pretty bad. This probably, it's feeling like a, I think we're starting with a solid B tier, a solid B tier book. All right, the next one: director equals FPS. So, this one's a bit of a doozy. We are still trying to figure

out exactly what's going on. For the most part, what we can tell is that certain enemies, blind pests are one of them, mithis and his dashes, another one. And you see here this small example here. This is playing at 144 FPS. This is playing at 30 FPS. You can just kind of tell that the enemies, they spawn more frequently. So, the director of the game is responsible for what enemies show up in your run. Your FPS dictates how many credits the director has to spend on the map. So, if you have higher FPS over here, you're going to have way more enemies and way harder enemies. And on top of that, because of the physics that we just showed with the loader, enemies can sometimes attack straight up faster. Like blind pest, for example, could go PE Pew PE instead of just like PE. Game logic being tied to your FPS, not the best idea. So, this one, honestly, solid S-tier bug. That is the Crim dala Crim. That is the Pinnacle of bugs in game design. And 'cause it's not even a bug, they had to go

out of their way to program game logic and make it be tied to your frame rate like they had to go out of their way. Solid S-tier bug right there, ladies and gentlemen, the first one. All right, the next one, aspect bricking your items. So this one, if you did not know, the elite aspect are a rare equipment drop that you can get from killing elite enemies. It takes your equipment slot and it turns you into that elite enemy. It's called an aspect. 81-minute run. Okay, so 81-minute run is probably like third loop, so like stage 12 or something. 442 hardlight afterburners, 68 meat hooks, 34 chance stalls, 43 wax quills, 85 monster teeth, 35 roll of pennies, you know, 72 war banners, you know, just the typical amount of loot you have, you know, not a big deal, it's not a big deal. So this is tied to the aspect specifically. If you pick one up, apparently their drop rates are multiplied by 100 right now, 100 times.

increased drop rate. On top of that, when you do pick it up, apparently you just have to like stand on top of an item on the ground, and then it just dupes it into your inventory. You don't have to pick it up; you just stand on it. On top of that, when you go to the next stage, if you carry the aspect over with you, it has a chance to just straight up delete the items that you have. Not the duped items, just your items; they're gone. And I think if you leave it behind, it has a chance to do something else as well. So, it's like no matter what you do, as soon as you pick up an aspect and you like walk onto an item, like run is just bricked. That's a pretty funny bug. You got to put that honestly; that's like an A-tier bug. It might be down here in B with loader. I'm going to put that in A-tier though. The next one is the Seeker clipping. This one is, as far as I know, oh, it's an audio clip. Hold

on all right. I'm going to be honest. Um, I've killed Mythis on Seeker, I think, like, 10 times now. I've have not experienced that, so it's not very widespread, but that is a pretty, that's a pretty darn, uh, egregious bug, I would say. Now, is it going to break your run? No, you can still kill him, it seems like, right? He's still taking damage, right? Oh no, he's, he's, uh, he's not taking damage at all. So, there might be another bug at play here, which I'm sure we'll talk about in a second. So, we'll put the sound bug, that's like a c tier, honestly, the bug, if it's just the audio, not that big of a deal, right? You can deal with that, you can kill Mythis, you can finalize it, who cares, not that big of a deal. But the next bug is the Mythis Warped Echo bug. You can see here that I have a warped Echo item. This is the new common item that is supposed to split half of the damage.

that you take the right half of it is dealt to you immediately as normal, and then the other half is dealt to you after 3 seconds. That's what it's supposed to do on mythri. What happens, and there's a lot of game logic here, is a nice little flowchart here. So, what's happening is something like this. This is what totally sent over to me. He's a very prominent modder in the community. I don't know exactly how to CER this, but essentially, if you have a warped Echo, if any character has a warped Echo, it's basically trying to update the buff counter for the item, and it can't do it if you have another item that also has a buff counter that can't be fulfilled, for example. So, mythri has a warped EO, you hit him, and it tries to proc, right? So, it's like, Okay, you have the warp Echo buff. It's trying to give it to him, but myrix also has a chronic expansion. In this video, you see that I have both a

warp Echo and a chronic expansion. Chronic expansion is another new common item. This one simply gives you a damage increase for every enemy that you kill in the past, like, 5 seconds, and it stacks repeatedly. Anyway, it gives you a buff based on you killing an enemy, is the point, and Mithri hasn't killed anybody. So, the problem is that if you hit Myrix when it has warped Echo, it tries to give him the buff, but because the chronic expansion can never give him its buff because he has to kill something for it to happen, it doesn't ever get past this point, and it never can set the Warped Echo buff counter to one. Remember, the Warped Echo is the one that delays the damage. So, what happens is you never get past this point, so it just keeps going back to this loop, and it just goes over and over and over and over, and then you just can never damage Mythics. He steals all my items. He takes the warped Echo and the chronic expansion.

and then he's just straight up immune to all damage, and there's also some other shenanigans happening. I forgot about this, hold on, watch this. Wait, you should definitely be doing this while he's stealing your items. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, yo, and I got the bug. Okay, this is the first time I've experienced this. So, uh, you literally lose your... There's nothing you can do about it. And so far, it seems like it is a 100% reproduction rate. If you have a warped Echo, mythis takes it, and he has any other item in the... It doesn't have to be the chronic expansion, by the way. That's just one example. It could be any other item that can give him a buff. If it's currently not giving a buff, and then you hit him, and he procs warped Echoes, you...

will get the mythics invincibility bug if that makes sense. Another s-tier bug, another s-tier coming in gearbox. Holy moly, two s-tier bugs, and we're not even like 10% of the way through the list. Two woo excellent, let's go baby. Alright, the next bug, the dead Seeker revive bug. I'm ass sure this is oh no yeah so here we go. So on the Seeker, the new survivor, if you die while you doesn't even have to be at Max Stacks, it's just if you die while in meditate, you will uh not revive you. You do die, you do lose the run if you're playing solo. This guy's here in multiplayer so he's not uh done with the run I'm sure but you essentially revive as a ghost character. Wait, he can still play. Wait, you can still play in multiplayer. Interesting. So he was damaging that be so right here. I die and meditate, I'm flying around like it's normal and then the death screen pops up.

and I can still move around. You can see me right there jumping and moving and stuff. So, uh, while this bug is pretty funny, very easy to replicate, um, it's not very egregious, right? Your run is still done as a solo player. You're dead. Uh, so I'll put this honestly down here. Ah, it's pretty funny though. I think it's funnier than the Seeker audio stuff, so put it in beer solid beater bug Pizza audio. This one, uh, mythri the pizza attack or the revolving doors right here. You can see very easily. It's very decent, extremely decent, not a big deal honestly. This might be why is it sacf d d tier Pizza audio bug might be a d tier, might be a d tier. It happens every single time and it's not that hard to deal with honestly because the visuals of pizza are still lining up perfectly. So is it as bad as the Seeker audio bug? Probably not. You might want to put them in the same tier though. I don't know. I think I'll put the pizza audio

bug in D2. I think it's a fair rating now. The Warped Echo double damage bug. Here we go. So, the Warped Echo, as we just described, is the item that is supposed to half the damage up front and then deal the other half back to you after 3 seconds. However, it's currently bugged in a different way where you just straight up take full damage and then it deals the same damage back to you after 3 seconds. So, you essentially take double damage. All right, fall damage coming in hot. 3, 2, 1, 100. So, I took 15 and went down to 15. Okay, let's try again. That gap was not 3 seconds. That is true. That did feel like a lot faster than 3 seconds. It's inconclusive to the double damage Warped Echo bug. A lot of people have been talking about it, so I believe it exists. It's just very hard to actually pinpoint and get an example of it actually being bugged. Honestly, this is a pretty darn Rootin' tootin' bug. It

doesn't seem very widespread 'cause it's hard to get examples of it, but taking double damage is pretty bad, so we'll put it in B tier, solid B tier. Bug, huh? Yo, it's tied to FPS, you're right. All right, here we go, ready, hold. Yeah, how long was that? That was like 8 seconds at least, right? That was like six or 7 seconds. Oh my gosh, bro, everything is tied to the FPS. We're back at 144, watch [Laughter]. This dude, come on, come on. It's not just the director that is affected by the FPS of your game; it is quite literally everything, anything and everything. Take your pick. It might not be everything at all times, but everything could be affected by FPS. It's a grab bag over there. It might be enemy damage on this run. It might be the enemy movement speed on this run. It might be the fall damage delay on this one. It might be the Warped Echo. Like, dude, everything's affected by your FPS. Terrible, and that's why it's an S tier.

bug, ladies and gentlemen. All right, the next one: items falling off the stage. If you did not know, the printers falling off the stage and whatnot is normal. It's specifically the printers now, the items that come from multi-shops and stuff. Apparently, Hopu patched this so that when they fall off the stage, they're supposed to come back up, and the scavenger bag as well. So, you see, it falls off, and it's gone forever. Honestly, kind of a skill issue. C tier. If you can see the items about to fall off and you do it, joke's on you, it's your own fault. C-tier bug, honestly, maybe even a D tier. I think it's a D tier bug, honestly. It's like, come on, you can see the item's about to fall off, guys. It's going to happen. Don't buy it. It's that simple. The lantern logbook. This one's pretty funny. So, inside of your logbook, no matter what you do, the bolstering Lantern's entry is always highlighted, even if you click on it 100%. It's just there. It's

just there now. This is a, I think it's a 100% reproduction rate. I think everybody's Lantern log book is currently bugged, honestly, like a solid catier. It's pretty funny. Is it as a, is it, is it ingred? Just no, not at all. It's just kind of funny. It's there C tier bug. I'll say it's a catier bug. Acrid leap. Acrid's leap cannot collide with enemies, which is pretty bad, obviously. So he just bounce off of enemies. Before that was a very, you know, consistent way to deal with flying enemies and some other like tankier froze. You just jump into them, deal some damage. Now you just kind of bounce off of them and do absolutely nothing. A tier bug. A melee character can now not access airborne enemies as well as they used to be able to. A tier spear knockback. I haven't seen this yet. Let's see this real quick, my good sir. Welcome to the chump Shad. Quite is that dude. What is this? Let's watch E

wait, can you kill the nud? What happens to him? Did he respawn? Why does the music fit so well? Wait, dude, where's he going? Where's he going? They let him out. He's leaving. He's gone. He's out of here. D, yeah, so uh, I had not seen that bug before. That's hilarious. That's an S-tier bug. You can't tell me otherwise. That is absolutely an S bug right there. Beautiful. The new lunar item H. Do we count this as a bug, boys? This is an intended gameplay mechanic. So the new lunar item, as you can see, what it's supposed to do is change all of the gold that you convert into, instead, your XP on your character to level up. And every time you level up, you can then buy an item on the zone for free, essentially, is how it works. So if you go into the gold portal and you have this item, it takes quite some time to exit CU. You have to continuously level up every single, like, even if you don't buy the items, seven, you have to level up seven times.

at a bare minimum to get out of there, and that's assuming you have damage to kill Aurelionite in one phase, so it's a soft lock in the sense that it takes a long time to get out, but it's kind of an intended gameplay mechanic. It might be an oversight. I feel like if Hopoo had implemented an item like this, I think they would have left the mechanic like this because it's not like you just accidentally pick up a lunar item. Like, it's intended that you have to go out of your way to pick up a lunar, so I feel like they would have kept this mechanic in. Honestly, this is like a pretty extreme edge case. You're not going to see a gold portal every run, right? Um, and if you are, you're probably actively seeking that out as well. I don't think this is really a bug. Honestly, if it isn't an oversight, it's not a big deal. I'll put it down in D tier, down in D tier. Commando only. Wait, what? What is

[Music] [Laughter] [Music] this let's go that's my kind of bug right there baby. Oh my gosh, that is wild. S tier for sure, no doubt in my mind. The S tier command bug, let's go. Oops, all Commando console log book. I don't know what this is either, let's take a look. Oh, oh, that is the, okay, yep, that looks pretty good to me. Uh-huh, it's kind of like avant-garde, if you will. All right, console log book is just borked, like a D. Who's going on the log book, guys? Who the heck's going in the log book? Raise your hand. No, you don't, no D, your book. Terrible Captain DIA. What the my, yeah, what the hell. Wait, don't go in there, don't go there, my. That's scary, that's scary. There it is, oh my God, scary, that's scary. The Diablo strike ability is invisible. Okay, so normally this big old like massive rod, the ram rod that comes

down from outer space. It takes literally 20 seconds for this ability to hit the ground. 20. And that's because it deals 10,000% damage to everybody that's inside, allies and enemies alike. So it's literally invisible. That's pretty solid, man. That's like a solid A-tier book. That one that you could have some fun with. That one cutscene damage. So this one, pretty sure I know what it is. Oh boy. All right, the final wait. I'm dying. You can take damage while in cutscenes. Pretty cool. Uh, no IMM. Now is that relevant? Not really. There's not really a lot of times you're in a cutscene that you can take damage in the first place. So it's like a solid, it's like a D-tier. Probably high, high D-tier. It's probably a little bit, little bit more fun than the mythri pizza bug, right? Boss laser. What is this? Oh dude, I'm dying. The boss laser scales in damage based on your frame rate. So the more frames you have, the faster it

ticks its damage to you slight uh duration there. I like infinite ability. Who who no oh the best part. These are not solid fun fact. The massive crystals that he spawns into the Zone don't have a hit box so you can't line of sight the laser. Be no yeah it doesn't. I think it's just overtuned damage wise. Let's put it in C tier. All right imp spikes where imp spikes. Wait are you kidding me. Wait why did I not know this. What is that. Does this work 100% of the time. I mean it has to. He's on you spawned him in stage one. Oh my my gosh. Is it only while you're on the ground. Cuz I've definitely been hit by the spikes. I've definitely been hit like as he threw them out and I still got the bleed. All right there you go uh the spikes just straight up don't deal damage to you and don't activate um now what this means. Spike pops still do damage. Is that these have a duration. When the duration expires they'll you

know they'll still do their damage in a little area. It's only if you're running. Wait, it's if you're walking. Wait, you got hit there. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He got what is that. Yo, hold. Whoa, we can't show that on stream. Hold on. All right, so yeah, it's only when the spikes are on the ground. They do no damage. That's a pretty cool bug, honestly. Kind of helps you out, and it's a 100% replication right rate. You just walk over the spikes. They don't do damage till they expire with the duration. This one, I have to put it B2. It's probably a little more fun than the other stuff, though. High B tier. High B tier. You can't look up. I actually have not experienced this. Let's see. I haven't really noticed. Oh, wait, no. You can definitely see it here. Wait, you can definitely see it here. That seems normal to me. All right, like that seems pretty normal to me. I think it's just 'cause his head is

in the way it wait. It's not giving you the uh. Didn't my character get like the opaqueness? Is it opaque? Gosh, I can't think of the word. Transparent. The transparency. Yeah, he's not transparent. Didn't it used to do it? Or am I trolling? Yeah, they used to be transparent for sure, dude. 100%. So that's, I guess, we can rename that bug, right? We can re-rename this to uh, you no longer turn transparent. You no longer turn transparent when you uh, look up. That's a pretty bad bug. A BB, if you know what I'm saying. A bad bug. And it's pretty detrimental. So honestly, this might be an S-tier bug. But how many times are you standing like right under an enemy? We have to look straight up. Not very often. I'll put it in a tier. I'll put it behind the Captain Diablo. Low A-tier for sure. Heretic warped. I don't know what this is. Mountain. Whoa. Uh-oh. So is that safer spaces plus Warf EO? Or just heretic? Have warp that

go cuz he has safer spaces. I don't really know what's happening here. I'm going to assume it's the invincibility bug. It's the same bug that's happening to Myrix. Look, he has Warp EO and Chronic right here. I bet you 10 bucks this is the exact same bug that Mythis has because it might treat Heretic like slightly different. I don't know, it's checking Chronic expansion and it is not able to update because you haven't killed anything, so then it just like breaks the Warped Echo and then you get infinite damage reduction, something like that, right? And I think safer spaces is also going to be affected by that, right? So that would make sense to me that it's pretty much the exact same bug. So bam, up a S tier goes, up in S tier, baby. C in head Mythri Warp, that goes, and you can get immunity damage on Heretic as well. GG, baby. Rally Point Delta teleporter, this one's pretty funny. Rally Point

Delta teleporter. So, the way that this works is there is a node system on every single map, right? So, that's how you get random loot spawns, is every single spawn is a node. And when you spawn into the map, the map will decide based on the layout, right? Whether you got on Rally Point Delta, for example, whether you got the closed crates or the open crates. If they're closed, it's supposed to then remove any nodes inside of it. You're not supposed to be able to get items and the teleporter, especially trapped inside of a closed crate that you cannot access. Well, that's exactly what's happening. So, you can have straight-up inaccessible stuff inside of the Rally Point Delta crates, which hilariously also includes the new green item. The green item that when you take damage, you get down to low HP, it randomly teleports you somewhere. Guess what? It chooses a node. So, you can get randomly teleported inside of a crate and you can't do anything about it. GG, that one's pretty funny. Uh, and this

is 100% replication rate. It's just, you know, whether or not you're going to see it. That's the... because the teleporter, more often than not, there are so many nodes to choose from, it's not going to be stuck, but it could happen every single run. Solid B tier bug, probably top of B tier, honestly, maybe even like low A tier. Go top of B tier. Xbox, just Xbox. Boom. Now, thankfully, this bug has been fixed already, but the Xbox main menu boss, if you did not know, for the first 3 days, right? We are in the fourth day, right? 'Cause it came out on Tuesday. Yes, we're in the fourth day of the DLC. The hotfix just went live. So, we'll say the first almost 4 days of this DLC. Xbox players literally could not play the game. You boot up the game, and you cannot use the main menu to press single player to then play the game. The main menu boss man has to be the pinnacle of all bugs, dude. How does this even happen? Because the

code based was supposed to be unified at this point. Supposedly, the code base is unified across PC, Xbox, Xbox Series X, PS4, PS5. We all have the same exact code supposedly. How does that happen? Xbox player, they were the only ones. No other platform had this issue, just Xbox, just Xbox. Like, that has to go down in the annals of gaming history as one of the worst bugs ever. You literally just cannot play the game 100%. Dude, annals is a word, guys. Annals is a word. It's a word, dude. Is it annals? It might be an... Is it annals? It's annals. Oh, it's anal. Joe, cut that out. Joe, cut that out. It's two n's, two n's, two n's, guys, two n's. Finally, now this might give the Xbox main menu boss bug a run for its money. Couch co-op, think about this for a second. Imagine you're an Xbox player, right? Imagine you're at school Tuesday, right? The DLC dropped on a Tuesday, so you had to go to school. Then you're

talking to your friends at school, you're like, Yo dude, DLC just came out, Risk Rank 2, no way man, I love Risk of Rank 2. I know bro, we're going to go home, we're going to play some Secret of the Storm DLC, you ready bro? Heck yeah man, I'll bring my controller, yeah let's do it baby. You guys go home, first of all, you boot up the game, unplayable, you can't get past the main menu boss, right? You're on Xbox, dang it man, are you kidding me bro, are you kidding me? I was so excited. I know man, I was so excited too, this is stupid. Then you wait patiently, you sit there, and then the bug is fixed, the main menu boss. Your friend goes to plug in his controller so you can sit there and play some juicy couch Co-op that was advertised to you in the trailer for the DLC. Couch Co-op, brand new feature, play with your friend, split screen, let's go. It then deletes your entire save. That was the bug, that was the bug, you just

plugged in a second controller, and it literally instantaneously deleted your entire save. I'm not joking, that's the bug. That's it. You plug in a second controller, it wipes your save, it's unrecoverable. GG, that's it, dude. We have to add another tier. Where's SSS tier? S Plus go what it I the couch Co-op bug. The irreversible and instantaneous deletion of your save file has to be probably the greatest bug I've ever heard of in any game, honestly. Like, that is crazy that that existed. How does that happen? Hope tweeted about the DLC. Oh gosh, oh no, what'd he say? This is definitely a bittersweet situation. It's great to see new content for the game, but it's hard to see the growing pains of the team in real time. It sucks for the fans who lost functionality of the game that they love. It also sucks for devs who are probably under a ton of stress and can't really celebrate the win of launching a new DLC, bro. Come on.

don't say that is their fault. Oh dude, he really hit him with a we still believe that gearbox is heading the right direction. We still believe that gearbox is heading in the right direction, that they have every intention of fixing the issues and listening to [Music] feedback. I know the people on the gearbox team that care deeply about Risk of Rain. Definitely a hard situation for everyone involved. Sadly, I believe that most of these things would be not gearbox's choice, but their owner's choice, right? Take-Two Interactive. Yeah, yeah, Take-Two killed Kerbal Space. What do they do to Kerbal Space Program? How do you mess up Kerbal Space Program, the game about the stupid little like beans going to space? They removed the entire team. What? Wait, wasn't it like super popular? Yeah, man. Okay, here's the thing about trusting gearbox. Maybe like some of the ideas are not bad for the DLC, right? Some of the ideas are not terrible. A lot of them are unfortunately like they're just

not well implemented the items. The Survivor, the balance, like some of the stuff's pretty bad. I don't know man, I don't know if they're heading in the right direction because there are so many issues with the game fundamentally that shouldn't have been there, that how can we say they're headed in the right direction. Take two interactive, let's just call them the publisher. Gearbox is both technically the developer and the publisher. However, the problem is that Gearbox doesn't have their own autonomy. They are owned by a different company that can do with whatever they want. They can just add a win wipe, Thanos snap the entire Dev thing, you know, if they wanted to. Gearbox does have the duty, I guess we'll say it like that, to make the content as good as possible. Obviously, it's going to take time to get there, but dude, can we really excuse tying game logic to FPS? Like, is that a crunch thing? Was that like a, Oh shoot dude, we only have 6 weeks to get

it done now. Ah shoot, let me just do this real quick. Tie the FPS counter. No, no, absolutely not. You can't make an excuse for that, man. You can't. And I understand, like, I'm not flaming Hu here. Don't get me wrong. I'm not flaming this guy at all. Like, he's trying to be as diplomatic as possible. I totally understand his point of view, but nah, man. I, like, I don't think the content is necessarily, like I said, even if all the bugs were fixed, I would still give the DLC, like, a 6 out of 10. Like, it's all right. It's mediocre. It's not bad. It's not good. It's mediocre. Oh, that's true. Outsourcing code too. Yeah, that's a massive thing in the tech world. The studios are not coding things in-house. They just outsource it for way cheaper labor. There's so much communication that has to be done that is just not done straight up live right now when you have stuff like that. Gearbox is live. They're

live at packs D. They're not going to talk about bro. If they mention the DLC one time, that's all there is to it. That's all there is to it.

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