It was so well-timed, the interview. And it's critically important. I think back to the last earnings call where Zuckerberg basically said, We think it could be the world's leading A.I. company, leading A.I. company, but he's coming from behind a little bit. You did some catching up with him in that conversation. Absolutely. And you know, the scale of Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp is incredible. So Meta AI, their chatbot, is already embedded across all of those products and Oculus as well. And you can use it as a standalone chatbot. But he says hundreds of millions of people are going to be using this by the end of the year. In fact, before the end of the year, which he believes would make it the most used chatbot in the world. So in just a few months, it's potentially going to be eclipsing chat. Now we talked a little bit about the level of intelligence of these latest

models, and he admits he still believes
there is a gap between Llama 3.1 and the most advanced models out there, but
they're already working on Lama four, and he says they're closing that gap when
that update comes out. Emily, as you were mentioning, in what
he termed a loaded question. But look, he's used to criticism,
but there's been a lot of criticism about the fact that this is open source
and the, quote unquote, danger that that brings.
How is he responding to that element of things?
Look, I think broadly, and this is what he's been saying now for many months,
open source is more safe, is more secure.
You've got all of these people around the world building on it, using it.
If they see something wrong, Medad is going to get called out on it.
He said and will fix it. And the question is, though, what's in
it for me?

It's not that there's nothing in this
for them. If the industry builds on this, and it
becomes an industry standard, then Metta has more sway in how the industry
evolves. So he's saying, look, this is more safe,
this is more secure. But yes, this is also better for us.
In fact, he believes it's safer than the closed sources approaches of Openai or
Google, because what's happening under the hood there, you can't necessarily
see when something goes wrong. And what's really interesting is without
open source, he says, I couldn't have built Facebook.
This is a deep-seated part of his philosophy that he's had for 20 years.
It's definitely interesting. He understands why there's been
pushback, why some people see him as this sort of unlikely champion of open
source, given how Meta and Facebook and its platforms have evolved.
But but he really doubled down that this

is the best way forward.
There is Mark Zuckerberg, the gold chain-wearing new haircut, and the May fighting
man. And then there is Mark Zuckerberg at the
helm of a critically important company. He spent time with him at his home in
Tahoe. I did.
What did you learn about either of those characters?
I learned how they relate to each other. Okay.
And, you know, he just seems, you know, I've met him many times over the years.
I've interviewed him before. He just seems more comfortable in his
own skin than I've been I've ever seen him.
He also taught me how to surf. Zac has all these side quests.
Wake surfing is one of them. And we talked about how he just has so
much energy. These things keep him focused.
Priscilla, his wife, was there as well. She's like, I prefer when he's doing all
these other things because he just has so much energy to burn off.
But my main takeaway was that he's not

going anywhere.
If you think about Jeff Bezos, you know who left Amazon, Larry and Sergey,
who left Google. There are all these major tech founders who have since
stepped back from their companies. Mark Zuckerberg isn't going anywhere.
He said, Look, I want to see this wave play out.
You know, it's ten or 15 more years before the next platform is going to
emerge, and I'm going to be around for that.

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