Joe Rogan Experience: Chimpanzee Rage, Lion Mortality, and Animal Intelligence

Chimpanzees exhibit violent rage when their sense of fairness is violated.

### Chimpanzee Attacks: A Joe Rogan Discussion on Animal Intelligence and Rage
* 🐒 Lions, unlike chimps, have a limited lifespan after injury, usually dying from starvation within weeks.
* 🦁  Rogan suggests that grudges are linked to cognitive function and ego, which animals may lack.
* 🧠 However, chimps demonstrate a strong sense of fairness, leading to violent reactions when they perceive injustice.
* 😡 A famous case involves a chimp attacking its former owner after he gave another chimp a birthday cake, highlighting their intense jealousy and rage.
* 🍰 The chimp's attack was not simply an attempt to kill, but to maim and inflict harm on the parts of the body crucial for human function, emphasizing the chimp's understanding of human anatomy.
* 😡 This highlights the primal, violent rage chimps exhibit, a stark contrast to how humans, despite similar feelings of jealousy, typically manage their emotions.
* 🙁 Rogan discusses the ethical concerns surrounding keeping chimps as pets and the psychological distress of animals in captivity, exemplified by the conditions at zoos and SeaWorld.
* 🐳  He points out the advanced intelligence of orcas, with their complex communication and regional accents, contrasting it with their confinement in small spaces, which leads to depression and physical deterioration.

The Jürgen experience: lions have one shot at getting injured. They get injured once in their life, and then it's over.

So how long do you think they last after an injury like that? Dead? Dead within a couple of weeks. They usually starve to death.

You think, how do you not starve to death if you can't eat? You think the lion keeps thinking...

You think they have like memories and they're like, 'That [___] gazelle that [___] got away!'

Nope. I think they hold no grudges. Right? I think grudges are connected to cognitive function,

like our ego, our understanding of ourselves. That's like, 'I'm going to get him back,' because it's like your ego. I don't think

animals have an ego. They have... they have a sense of fair, though. Animals have a sense of... some animals do, at least. Chimps do.

One of the reasons why chimps attack people is because if people give something to someone else and they don't give it to

them, they have a real sense of fairness. Wow, yeah. There's a famous story of this guy who had a pet chimp, and then...

The thing about chimps is you can keep them when they're young, and then they get older and it's like a man,

but a man that's five times stronger than you. And like, why is he gonna listen to you? He's not gonna listen to you. So I think

you start biting off fingers. It's one of the things that chimps do when chimps get mad at you; they bite off your finger.

Yeah, just let you know they're the boss. Like they don't give a [___] if you're

injured. They have no remorse, right? And they're intelligent. So you have this thing that's not a dog,

it's not a person; it's this weird in-between thing. It's an animal, but it's also intelligent. And so...

When you do something for someone else, but you don't do something for them, they get rage, like horrific rage. So this guy gets

rid of this chimp, brings it to a shelter. The shelter takes it in, and he goes to visit it every year, and

the chimp goes to see him like, "Oh, my friend, I miss you. I miss you. Why can't I

come home?" But he can't come home ever because he would just take over the house, right? Because he's a grown

chimp. They don't castrate chimps the way they castrate dogs. Like, when you castrate a dog, like

everybody, it's standard. People think it's good. "Oh, did you get your dog neutered? Yeah, I did."

And you're like, "You want your dog to have no testosterone? You want your dog to have no balls?" But then it becomes a

different thing, right? Then it's like tired and like... like, have you ever seen a dog get snipped? I had one of my dogs get snipped

when it was five years old. It was just too aggressive, and so someone talked me into it. And then when I got him snipped,

also, he was just tired all the time. He was lazy. And I realized, "Oh, he didn't have any

testosterone anymore. It's all gone." Like, wow! Like, so the dog's a different dog now. So you can't do that to chimps, for whatever

reason. You can't neuter a chimp. So this guy goes to visit the chimp, and he brings a

birthday cake. "Happy birthday, buddy!" And the other chimps that are in cages right next to her, like this [inaudible]

"didn't bring me a cake! I can't believe this [inaudible]!". So they figured out a way to get out,

and they got out, and they attacked the man, and they tore him apart. They tore his face off. They tore his

they tore his feet off, they bit his fingers off. It's one of the most horrific

cruel attacks you'll ever hear of, because they did it to try to take away from him

the things he wants and needs. Like, chimps recognize you need your fingers in order to do things, you need your face in order to see,

you need your hands in order to [ __ ] so that's the things they go after. [ __ ] [ __ ] They don't, they don't

just try to kill you; they try to take away what it means to be a human. So if you try to hide your

hands, they'll pull your hands away and open them up and bite them off like crazy with a

rage-filled look in their eye. And they don't communicate with language, so they only have the sense in their

head of what's fair and what's not fair and what you've done to them. So if you

do something that makes them jealous, they think immediately you've done something bad to them. They don't think, "No, no, I just gave

my friend a cake." Uh-uh. You made them feel bad, so it's you—you made them feel bad, so they go right

after you. It's, it's like a sort of a—it's an interesting study in the way sometimes people look at

things. Like, we've all been jealous, right? You've been jealous of someone; you see someone who's doing something well,

you're, "Oh, I wish I was that guy." But you don't go attack that person, right? People recognize like it's not his fault

that I feel bad that he has this Corvette. I just have to [ __ ] I just gotta

appreciate the guy's hustle. Guys out there kicking ass, all right? I gotta get my [ __ ] together, but there's

A thing that we have initially, especially when we're children, is we feel angry, like you feel upset, like you feel, uh...

like you've been shorted, like someone's, oh, why didn't I get that? This is [___] he gets it and I don't.

It's a fascinating part of humans. And then, humans, as we get older and more sophisticated with language, but still carry the same

childish emotions. We find reasons to be upset at someone for being successful. We find reasons—'eat the rich,' you know—we find we

just find these weird little ways that we can justify our jealousy or our anger or our disdain for those who are more

successful than we are. So it's like we're coming up with complicated, sophisticated ways to justify these primal behaviors that

chimps exhibit—just violent rage. So this guy—it's a famous case like this; you can see the pictures if you want to

see the pictures of the cake guy, of the guy who got his face ripped apart and fingers bitten off. And yeah, I mean,

he was in the hospital. That sounds great. Did you think folks at home—folks at home, prepare—don't show it on the screen

because it's rough, but Tony needs to see this. So you go give a chimp a cake? Yeah, I'm

not doing that. This is...wow. No nose! See how he bit his nose off? God, yeah. Look at his face. Oh, [___]! Yeah, this

is conscious. They said after this happened. Oh yeah, of course. Look at this. See his right hand, the fingers bitten off.

That's what they do; they bite off your fingers. That's the chimp right there. Chip, click on the chair in the right

hand corner. That's his chimp. Come on, what's my picture? Uh, what is that picture? I'm surprised he let him keep his ears.

Oh, that's the guy's face, Jamie. That's what that is. He's got a tracheostomy because he can't

breathe out of his mouth. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't think that, you know, chimps exactly know the human anatomy

all that well, but they know what's important to you: your face, your fingers, somehow

tore this guy apart. So if he would have brought pieces of cake and given them to all the chimps in

all the cages, they'd all be happy. Yeah, but they're also angry that he's that they're

captive. So when they get captive, look, being captive for a chimp is probably a similar feeling

as to what it would be to be captive as a person. But if you see a chimp at the

zoo and you're um, you're in this big, they're in this big containment, they all these

monkey bars and stuff they could hang on, but there's a bunch of people staring at them like all day long. People are staring at

you through glass, and there's a ceiling, like there's a net over the top so you can't go over the top, and there's fences

and you're just like, [ __ ] every day is boring. Nothing happens. Nothing happens every day. There's no

lions, there's no fruit to go pick, there's no places to go journey to, to explore. Like chimps travel

around, man. They don't just sit in one particular 100-yard area for the rest of their life, and it's not even 100 yards

right. If you go to the LA Zoo, you ever see how small that enclosure is? Yeah, I went to the LA Zoo once, really high

really high, like on an edible. Yeah, and uh, I wrote a piece on my website uh, called uh, "The Animal Prison," and I was like, because

it made me feel I could, because you know when you're really [ __ ] super baked, you're

sensitive to everything, yeah, but just I I recognize how, instead of thinking about myself and thinking about, you know, "Oh, I'm gonna"

go to the zoo and see the monkeys," I went there and I immediately felt sadness. I was like, "Oh, no, these poor creatures"

like they don't want to be here. Like, what are we doing? Like, we can't do this." I was thinking like, "I gotta get out of"

here." It's true. No, you're right, and it's very bizarre. Same thing with SeaWorld. Same

Oh, SeaWorld's worse, yeah, because they're as smart as us, if not smarter.

Yeah, we don't we don't even really know how smart orcas are, right? Because or dolphins, because we put them

in these weird categories like, "How much email do they send? Um, do they make houses? No, they must be stupid." But they have a

cerebral cortex that's 40% larger than ours. We don't know how smart they are.

They they also they communicate; they have a weird, sophisticated language that we can't decipher. We can't decipher it; we don't know what

their language is. They've been able to recognize specific accents, so you know, there's like, you know, like

there's a Southern accent and a Cleveland accent; there's a Chicago accent. Orcas have accents.

Like, we can tell this by the sound. Oh, this is an orca from Alaska, or this is

an orca from Seattle. Yeah, it's crazy. It's [___] nuts, man. Meanwhile, we put them in a swimming pool,

a [___] swimming pool. It's so sad. How their fin droops once they get depressed. It's not

that they get depressed; they don't use it. It atrophies. It's like an arm that you don't pick anything up

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Joe Rogan Talks About Chimp Attacks

JRE Clips

Lions typically sustain only one significant injury in their lifetime.

Injury often leads to death within weeks, usually from starvation.

Discussion on lions' inability to hunt after injury and subsequent starvation.

Questioning whether lions hold grudges, linking it to cognitive function.

Chimpanzee Behavior and Sense of Fairness

Chimpanzees possess a sense of fairness, leading to aggression when they feel wronged.

Chimpanzee attacks on humans often stem from perceived unfairness in resource distribution.

Anecdote about a pet chimpanzee's behavior and the dangers of keeping them as pets.

Adult chimps are incredibly strong and pose significant danger to humans.

Chimps bite off fingers as a sign of dominance and aggression.

Story of a man who gave a chimp a birthday cake, causing other chimps to attack him.

The chimps escaped and brutally attacked the man, inflicting severe injuries.

Chimps' attacks are targeted at vital body parts, highlighting their understanding of human anatomy.

The attack was driven by jealousy and a sense of unfairness, not simply a desire to kill.

Comparison of chimp rage to human jealousy and the ways humans rationalize their negative emotions.

Discussion on the primal anger and feelings of being shortchanged that humans experience, especially as children.

Humans maintain childish emotions as they grow older, finding sophisticated ways to justify their jealousy and anger.

Humans use complex justifications for primal behaviors, unlike chimps' immediate violent rage.

Description of the victim's severe injuries, including a torn face and missing fingers.

Discussion on how the chimps might have been motivated by their captivity.

Chimpanzee Captivity and Mental Well-being

Comparison of chimp captivity to human captivity, highlighting the negative impact on their mental state.

Description of the restrictive and monotonous environment of zoo enclosures.

Personal anecdote about visiting a zoo while high and recognizing the sadness of the animals.

Brief discussion on the captivity of orcas and dolphins in SeaWorld.

Orcas' intelligence and complex communication are discussed, highlighting the limitations of our understanding.