Hamas' October 7th Attack on Israel: Analysis and Condemnation of Violence Against Civilians

Hamas' October 7th attack on Israel was unjustified, resulting in the deaths of many Israeli civilians.

### Roger Waters' Comments on the Hamas Attack and the Subsequent Debate
* 🗣️ Roger Waters questioned whether the Hamas attack on Israel was a **false flag operation**, raising doubts about the official narrative.
* 🤔 Waters' theory sparked a debate, with some questioning the Israeli military's response time and others strongly condemning Hamas' actions.
* 💔 The attack resulted in over 1400 Israeli deaths according to the Israeli government, highlighting the severity of the event.
* 🇮🇱 The Israeli military's delayed response was attributed to their focus on the West Bank, leaving the Gaza border relatively undefended.
* 🗣️ Critics argued that Waters' comments, while raising legitimate questions about the Israeli government's actions, detracted from the condemnation of Hamas' brutality.
* 💥 The discussion highlighted the need to condemn Hamas' actions, including the targeting of civilians, while simultaneously acknowledging the complexities of the conflict.
* ⚖️  The panelists emphasized that while resistance to occupation is understandable, targeting civilians is unacceptable and constitutes a war crime.
* 🕊️ The conversation concluded by stressing the importance of holding both Hamas and Israel accountable for their actions and the need for a just resolution to the conflict.

When the attack on October 7th in Israel happened, perpetrated by Hamas, what was your reaction to that?

Let's wait and see what happened. Well, it was my first reaction. My second reaction was, how the hell did the Israelis not know this was going to happen? And I'm still a little bit down that rabbit hole. I mean, didn't the Israeli army in those 11 or 10 camps

hear the bangs when they blew up? Whatever they had to blow up to get across the border?

There's something very fishy about that. Last week, Glenn Greenwald hosted Pink Floyd's Roger Waters

on his Rumble show, System Update, and during the context of that conversation, Waters questioned whether Hamas even conducted a terrorist attack.

Waters floated the theory that Hamas' deadly terrorist attack on October 7th, which killed over 1400 Israelis according to the Israeli government,

was actually a false flag operation. Let's watch more of what he has to say and then obviously give you the reality.

What we do know is whether it was a false flag operation or not, or whatever happened and whatever story we're going to get to, and we don't know

if we will ever get much of a real story. It's very hard to tell what actually happened.

They're calling it their 9/11. What the hell happened on the American 9/11?

Nobody knows. Clearly, the official narrative has huge holes in it. So, look, I can understand why there are so many questions in regard to the IDF

and how it took them six hours to respond to the Hamas terrorist attack, but unfortunately, the answer is pretty easy once you look into what happened.

Right. So Netanyahu had been so hyper-focused on the West Bank and protecting the settlers who had built illegal settlements in the West Bank,

that the IDF, all of the attention of the IDF was there in that area,

not at the border with the Gaza Strip. And so, once the terrorist attacks happened, it took a long time

for IDF soldiers to get to them. They were too busy providing protection for settlers, Israeli settlers in the

occupied West Bank as they were helping them guard their illegal settlements. So that was what was going on.

I mean, we have some answers. We could talk about it. I'm actually surprised that he doesn't know that. And he's not talking about the failure of the Israeli government.

Yeah. So I think guys like this are not helpful because we're trying to bring attention to the plight of the people of Gaza who are being slaughtered right now.

And so, for the average layman and people in media, they look at Roger Waters and they think, oh, he's on the left and he's criticizing Israel.

So he must be part of the critique of Israel. And so we'll judge the critique based on what he says, you know, is that exclusive?

No, of course not. But is it partially that? Yes. And it makes the critique easier to dismiss when you say crackpot things

like it's a false flag operation. Now, there are 1400 dead Israelis. I think Bibi Netanyahu is a monster, but there's no way that the rest

of the IDF and the Israeli government, even if Netanyahu was that monstrous, which I don't think he would do to his own Israeli citizens,

But even if you thought, okay, Netanyahu is willing to kill anybody, okay, how is

he going to get everybody else to participate and then kill fellow Israelis? It's inconceivable.

Totally, utterly inconceivable. Right. So, and then the idea that Hamas only killed Israeli soldiers

but left all the Israeli citizens alone. Come on. Absurd, absurd. So this doesn't help anyone.

All you're doing is muddying the waters, if you will, and, and and kind

of putting a stain on the legitimate critique of the Israeli government. Yes, that's exactly right.

And this has been the most frustrating thing because there are good, honest actors on the left. Okay.

I think, you know, Crystal Ball has been doing a great job with this story. Kyle Kulinski has been doing a good job with this story.

And I mention them because they don't make any exceptions when it comes to civilians on the Israeli side.

Okay? Innocent civilians should be protected, should never be targeted. And what Hamas did was absolutely brutal, disgusting,

and they should be brought to justice. And I hate when you have the Roger Waters types who say this nonsense

trash, garbage. Because then well-meaning individuals who are engaging in accurate critique of Israel's response to what Hamas did get lumped in with lunatics who seem

to continuously make these points that devalue the lives of Israeli civilians. I do not agree with any of that. Okay.

And I do not agree with what Roger Waters says in the next clip. So let's watch that and we'll talk about it.

Do you think what Hamas did on October 7th can be justified? Well, we don't, we don't know what they did do, but do.

Was it justified for them to resist the occupation? Yes. But again, it's what you said.

It's the Geneva Conventions. They're absolutely legally and morally bound to resist the occupation since 1967.

It's an obligation. But are there limits on the way in which they can resist? As I said in the statement that I put out after it, I said if war

crimes were committed, I condemn them. But what about targeting civilians or abducting them?

No, of course not. No, of course I don't condone that.

But that is what Hamas did. That's exactly what Hamas did.
They targeted civilians. He knows it. He knows it.

He knows it. You can't pick the facts you like and say,
"I'm only going to emphasize these,"

and I'm just going to either ignore
or lie about the other facts." So even if you thought Hamas has a right
to resist and, and hence attack

the Israeli soldiers that they attacked
and killed, you certainly—he claims he doesn't want them killing the civilians.

Good. I'm happy to hear that. But then for you to ignore the fact
that they did kill civilians, that's

awfully convenient for your position. So nobody's angels here, and pretending
that they're angels is absurd.

But a lot of Hamas
are fundamentalist Muslims. And you could say, hey, you know,
after being occupied for 56 years,

blah, blah, blah. I wouldn't make any excuse for them.
But killing civilians is wrong.

And did they do it?
Yes, they definitely did it. So that doesn't justify
the 10,000 innocent civilians that have

been brutally killed by Israel in Gaza. And you're not helping, again, our cause
in trying to protect those civilians,

because you make our arguments
easier to dismiss when you come in with outlandish ideas like "false flag operation"
and "no Israeli civilians were killed,"

those—the fact that Israeli civilians were
killed is an inconvenient fact for you. - But it's still a fact.
- It is a fact.

And also, this form of resistance has led to the slaughter of at least 10,000 innocent civilians,
4000 of whom were children.

How exactly was this
a successful resistance? Yeah, and. There's no way to—by the way,
there is no way to justify what Hamas did,

even if this led to some success,
which obviously it didn't. You don't slaughter innocent people, okay.

And this notion that everyone in Israel,
including civilians, including children, are by default guilty because they're all considered settlers?

No, we do not. I mean,
I definitely don't subscribe to it. I don't think Jenk subscribes to it.

Innocent civilians
should not be targeted on either side. And what Hamas did led to, again,
the worst possible situation for those

Palestinian civilians in Gaza right now. So people making excuses
for killing others is not helpful.

So, and because remember,
everyone has an excuse in their mind. They're right. You remember the terrorists who actually
have, unfortunately, been the most successful

terrorists probably in my lifetime was an
Israeli settler who killed Yitzhak Rabin.

Rabin was about to do a peace deal
with the Palestinians, and that could have actually alleviated
this entire situation for decades on end.

Right? It could have fixed everything. And Yitzhak Rabin was an imperfect person.
There's no question about that.

And by the way, he committed acts of terrorism
before the state of Israel was created, but he was going to do a peace deal.

And an Israeli radical fundamentalist
murdered him and prevented the peace deal.

So, but for that guy, I guarantee
you he thought he was doing God's work.

I'm doing amazing, important work
on behalf of my people. And I'm going to kill this guy
because I am morally righteous.

That's where you get into a lot of danger. When people justify
the killing of innocents, when they think

they are morally righteous,
almost never is that the case. And so, none of this excuses
what Israel has done in Gaza.

And so, as we criticize Hamas
very forcefully here, I criticize Israel just as forcefully for the slaughter
that they have unleashed upon Gaza.

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Initial Reactions to the Hamas Attack and Roger Waters' Controversial Claims

Initial reactions to the October 7th Hamas attack in Israel, including surprise at Israel's lack of preparedness.

Questions regarding Israel's intelligence failure and the possibility of a preemptive strike.

Roger Waters' appearance on Glenn Greenwald's show, questioning the nature of the attack.

Waters' suggestion that the attack was a false flag operation.

Difficulty in determining the true events due to conflicting narratives and lack of clear information.

Explaining the Israeli Response Time and IDF Deployment

Addressing the six-hour delay in the IDF's response to the attack.

Explanation that IDF resources were concentrated in the West Bank due to focus on protecting settlers in illegal settlements.

Surprise at Waters' lack of awareness regarding IDF deployment and focus on the West Bank.

Critique of Roger Waters' Statements and Their Impact

Concern that Waters' statements hinder efforts to focus on the plight of the people of Gaza.

Analysis of how Waters' claims make legitimate critiques of Israel easier to dismiss.

Refutation of the false flag theory due to the high number of Israeli civilian casualties.

Highlighting other commentators who offer balanced and accurate critiques of the situation.

Strong condemnation of Hamas' actions and the need for justice.

Further Discussion on Justifying Hamas' Actions and Civilian Casualties

Discussion on whether Hamas' actions can be justified, acknowledging the right to resist occupation but condemning targeting of civilians.

Criticism of selectively choosing facts to support a narrative.

Rejection of excuses for killing civilians, emphasizing that it's wrong regardless of context.

Argument that such statements undermine efforts to protect Palestinian civilians in Gaza.

Questioning the success of Hamas' resistance strategy given the high number of civilian casualties.

Rejection of the idea that all Israelis are guilty by association.

Emphasis that making excuses for killing innocents is unhelpful and harmful.

Example of the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin to illustrate the dangers of justifying violence.

Strong condemnation of both Hamas' and Israel's actions.