Issues with Path of Exile 3.25 Tier 17 Endgame Grinding

Tier 17 maps and scarabs create a significant imbalance in Path of Exile 3.25's endgame economy, limiting accessibility and profitability.

### Path of Exile Endgame Review: Tier 17 Maps and Scarabs Analysis
* 🗺️  Tier 17 maps were recently introduced, but they have some issues: they cannot be rerolled and can only be rolled with **chaos orbs, which is costly**.
* 🔮  The Visesect Scarab can make maps easier by **removing prefixes or suffixes**, but it also **removes the quant benefits**.
* 💰  Scarabs are a key part of farming tier 17s, leaving players who can't farm them feeling **left out**, especially in softcore.
* 🏞️  Other endgame strategies, such as juicing up maps, are also in a weird state, with **quant farming gone**.
* 💸  Gold costs seem to be balanced around **tier 17s**, making it difficult for most players to have **enough gold** for various activities.
* 🤔  The current endgame doesn't feel great, and there's no clear solution to the issues with **tier 17s and scarabs**.
* 🎯  The situation is compared to past leagues, like Legion, where certain items (e.g., Headhunter) **created a large gap between players who had them and those who didn't**.
* 🎮  Despite the endgame issues, the player is still having fun with the game and sees these as **areas for improvement** in the next league.

Ray class is a cursed land. You have to be mad to settle here. Hi, it's here with another video, and in this one I wanted to cover the current state of the endgame, notably tier 17 maps and scarabs and juicing and stuff like that. Well, it might not be in the best state, so I figured I'll go through my opinion on that in this video. So we had tier 17 maps were recently introduced, and they were interesting. So obviously there were a lot of issues. They could not be rerolled at all. I'm currently not a fan of how they are only rollable with chaos and that they do have pretty crazy mod. Now the trash monsters in them were nerfed quite a lot. Honestly, that doesn't feel too bad anymore. And you do have the vivisect bisect Scarab, something like that. You do have the bisection Scarab to make maps easier by removing the prefixes or the suffixes for hardcore. However, this also does remove the quant like any benefit from that like I

said they've made the monsters so much better. They are really good, uh, and the bosses are like okayish. Still, think Ubers are easier. I think the biggest problem with them, however, is that because you can use scarabs in them, we're seeing anyone that aren't able to farm tier 17s with these scarabs left out. Now, this is a bigger problem on softcore than it is on Hardcore because on Hardcore they are more dangerous so there are even less people that can do them. From what I understand of softcore, pretty much every Scarab is PR around you doing that strategy in tier 17s, and that means that scarabs are to some degree off-limits to people that are farming tier 16s or want to use them in lower Maps. So, I think that's a little unfortunate. I don't think it basically ends up becoming a new problem that tier 17s were trying to fix. So, for example, if you're farming Uber at zi, you would have to do normal zeri to get.

the fragments and then get Uber, but by the time you're strong enough to do Uber at zeri normal Z is Trivial and just feels like it's sure, right? So I get that. I understand the fact that they didn't want just the normal bosses to drop Uber fragments. I do think that's mitigated a little bit if they had really interesting drops still on the normal bosses that were rare, um, so what, maybe one or two more items on the normal bosses that were rare, but I get that. So they had like the Click a button to turn in normal into the Uber version. Well, then you're only going to want to do the Uber version unless there's really different drops on normal than Uber, and there's a very big difference to do both, but if one is more profitable and you can, then you will always do the Uber version. So honestly, I don't really have a solution to this. What a horrible problem to have to solve. I'm so happy I don't have to solve it, and I do remember

a developer at one point said players are really good at identifying problems, but not good at coming up with solutions, and in this case, I definitely feel that's very true. Very often, that's very true. Um, I feel very like I have no idea how to fix this. I just know that I don't think that stuff currently feels great. It's not like it's awful in-game running, but it definitely doesn't feel like where there yet. And then you also have like other endgame strategies, like, you know, um, doing the Wildwood and juicing up your map like that's in a really weird state. So there's like a lot of the endgame juicing is sort of like not here this Le. So honestly, I'd be interested to do like maybe a video with MP and snap and stuff and talk to them about how they feel Ang juicing is cu. They do it hard on software and that's not there as much. This thing obviously Quant farming's gone. It does also feel to some degree that gold costs are massively

balanced around tier 17s so that, yeah, it's really stressful for most people to have enough gold to like go to sleep or level another Al or do side content. Like if you want to interact with blight and stuff like that, you get so little gold that you cannot maintain a city. Like maybe maintain the boats, but like I've been leveling a lot of alts the past few days and I do play a lot, and I've had to be like, Okay, I'll do two to four hours of tier 16 mapping, and then I can level an Al, or then I can go to sleep. And obviously this would be a lot easier with tier 17s, but yeah, like I'm doing pretty Scarab it up tier 16s right now, and these are giving me between 20 to 30,000 gold each, but that goes fast. Like if I turn my mappers on, which I don't anymore, even though I want to have the MTH cuz the

rewards aren't half bad, but my wage goes up to 60,000 an hour, and I don't have a single level 10 mapper, which I do want. So, and yeah, I haven't even been able to afford to like keep rolling for more. I the boats, I could probably almost downgrade, but definitely I do hope that we'll see some tuning of gold. I don't think we'll any tuning of the end game or tier 17s, but I would love to see a um a buff or a change to like how we interact with tier 17s. Maybe tier 17s should have randomized scarabs added to it. I I don't know what the choice is here, but like I don't know if scarabs working on tier 16s and tier 17s is a good thing for the majority of the game. It does end up being a very like this is only for the 1% thing, which I don't think is is healthy. Uh, I I it's it's very similar to

Legion and my main problem with Legion and Headhunter. So, I really disliked Legion League. The reason for that was during Legion, Headhunter was so important. You needed a Headhunter to play the League, basically. I'll explain. It was so incredibly profitable, and you would basically just be buying Legion splinters from other people. But the problem is that Legion splinters ended up becoming so expensive that if you were a regular player or even like somebody like myself but playing without a Headhunter, if you didn't have a Headhunter, the maximum possible profit from you doing a Legion run would be less, like literally like hitting like peak jackpot almost, right? Like multiple Jewels dropping, everything going well, maybe dropping Exalted Orb, etc. The peak drop of you doing a run would be less than just selling those splinters to somebody with a Headhunter because the difference in what the output of a Headhunter character could get versus a normal player was so staggeringly big, and that was so sad.

that you can't even like just have a good character and do well in that League. You literally needed a head hunter, so that made such a chasm between the 1% and casual players or even players that just didn't have a head hunter. Obviously like I had access to a head hunter, uh, I just chose not to use one because I thought it was stupid. And that's I in that patch became a huge proponent of like make header like worse for things like that. Or my suggestion during that League was make every Legion monster unique, so the Head Hunter just doesn't work in Legion 'cause that was stupid. But I feel like we're in a bit of a similar state right now where some things are becoming very 1% only. And the thing is you're always going to have that no matter what. And I don't think scarabs need to be that right. You're always going to have like Ubers and stuff is only going to be for good players. That's fine like the end game.

bosses should be for only good players right. You do have the normal bosses and the end game bosses, and I think most casual players realize like, Yeah, there is a huge need for aspirational content. But when scarabs become sort of like, Yeah, you find your own or you're better off selling them, I don't think that's a fun thing. Like, let me know if I'm wrong, let me know if I'm cooked here. Um, maybe reach out to some blasters and see about doing like a mini-mini podcast type thing about it and talking 'cause, uh, I don't play softcore, but, uh, yeah, either way, that's like my initial feelings on tier 17s and blasting and stuff like that. It's definitely not in a great state. Uh, I think some things can maybe be fixed this league, but a lot of it is like a larger overhaul needed. Um, that being said, it's not the end of the day because I'm having a lot of fun with the game, so it's not like the game is

everything is doom and gloom these are just things that can be improved for the next league kind of thing so either way I'm having a blast hope you guys are two really fun league um maybe a bit of a too gloomy video but yeah I I'm I'm actually having a blast so if you like the video but more importantly try to die let's

We gotta talk about endgame...

I'm Zizaran, Path of Exile & ARPG content creator since October 2015.
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The Current State of Tier 17 Maps and Scarabs in the Endgame

Tier 17 maps have issues with rerolling and can only be rolled with chaos, making them challenging.

The nerfing of trash monsters and the introduction of the vivisect bisect Scarab have made the maps more manageable, but using scarabs in these maps is leaving some players unable to farm tier 17s, creating a new problem in the endgame.

The Challenge of Balancing Normal and Uber Bosses in the Game

The issue of making Uber bosses more desirable than normal bosses is acknowledged, but finding a solution is difficult.

Simply adding rare drops to normal bosses or allowing players to switch between normal and Uber versions may not effectively solve the problem.

The game's endgame strategies, such as map juicing, are also not in an ideal state, adding to the complexity of the issue.

The Struggle with Gold Acquisition in Tier 16 and 17 in the Game

Players are finding it extremely stressful to acquire enough gold for various in-game activities, leading to a lack of financial balance in the virtual cities.

The current gold rewards from tier 16 mapping are insufficient, with players only receiving between 20,000 to 30,000 gold from each map, making it difficult to afford expenses like maintaining boats and leveling alts.

There is a hope for a potential adjustment to gold tuning in tier 17s, with the suggestion of adding randomized scarabs to make it more accessible for all players, rather than just benefiting the top 1%.

The Impact of Headhunter in the Legion League

The Legion League was heavily impacted by the importance of the Headhunter item, making it almost essential for maximum profit.

The significant difference in earnings between players with a Headhunter and those without created a large disparity, favoring the top 1% of players.

There was a suggestion to change the mechanics of the League to reduce the dominance of Headhunter, but the issue of certain game aspects being accessible only to the top players still remains.

Casual players feel that the current state of tier 17 bosses, like scarabs, is not enjoyable and lacks aspirational content.

There is a need for a major overhaul to improve the situation, but the game is still enjoyable overall.

The player suggests reaching out to developers for a podcast discussion on the topic.