Conversations on Faith: Exploring Christianity and Islam

Muhammad Ali emphasizes that true understanding of faith comes from seeking knowledge and questioning beliefs.

### Comparative Theological Discussion on Christianity and Islam
* 📖 The discussion centers on theological differences between Christianity and Islam, particularly on the concepts of **sin, salvation, and the nature of God**.
* 🛐 The Christian participant expresses surprise at the Islamic belief in **judgment based on actions**, contrasting it with the Christian concept of **salvation through faith in Jesus' sacrifice**.
* 📜 The Islamic participant highlights Quranic verses that emphasize the **importance of good deeds and avoiding sin for attaining Paradise**, contrasting with the Christian belief in **Jesus' atonement for all sins**.
* 🕊 The conversation delves into the nature of Jesus, with the Muslim participant viewing him as a **prophet chosen by God**, while the Christian participant sees him as the **divine Son of God**.
* 🤔 The discussion challenges the Christian participant's assumption that all Christians are assured of salvation, citing Biblical verses that suggest **true believers cannot continue to sin**.
* 🤝 Both participants agree on the importance of **incentives and warnings** in religious practice, acknowledging that human behavior is often motivated by such factors.
* 🕊 The Muslim participant explains the Islamic belief in the **oneness of God**, rejecting the idea of a **physical or divisible deity**.
* 🌟 The conversation demonstrates the value of **interfaith dialogue** in promoting **mutual understanding** and exploring **theological differences**.

### Understanding the Concept of God in Christianity and Islam
* 🙏 Christians believe Jesus took on human form to **relate to people**, while Muslims believe prophets were sent as humans for the **same reason**.
* 🕊 Both religions emphasize monotheism, but differ in the concept of **Jesus' divinity**.
* 📖 The Bible and the Quran both stress the importance of **seeking the truth**.
* 🛐 Muslims believe in the **oneness of God**, while Christians believe in the **Trinity**.
* ❓ The conversation explores the complexities of the Trinity, with the **Holy Spirit's role being questioned**.
* 🤔 The discussion challenges the idea of **God praying to himself** in human form.
* 🌐 The main message is to **encourage research and understanding** of one's beliefs.
* 🕌 The simplicity of becoming Muslim is highlighted, focusing on **monotheism and belief in the prophets**.

this is my friend, um, Muhammad Ali. On YouTube, he goes by the Muslim Lantern. Uh, she, so Demi called me the other day. She had some questions about Islam. So, um, I go to him sometimes when I have questions and advice, and he, I'm the guy who brainwashed him basically, right? Yes, people say he who did the one of them, yeah, sh, but he helped, he, um, yeah, he's joking around, but he helped me, um, he helps you sometimes in advising me sometimes when I have questions about, and also I had a similar situation before where, do you know Steve will do it? Mhm, yeah, he came asking about God, and um, in a similar situation, I could have done a better job. I should have brought in that situation. I, I could have done a, I ended up kind of not ambushing him, but in a sense, yeah, anyway, anyway. So, if you have any questions about Islam, I think it'd be um, it'd be good to speak to him if you U, if you're interested. Well, I don't

really have any questions. I was just more so like trying to learn some stuff because a lot of people thought that I didn't like people who were Muslim because of my comment. But did you see that the clip that she's referring to? What comment was that? Well, I just said I was talking to my friend on Discord because we were playing like Call of Duty together. And then I just said as a joke, like somebody in chat said, Oh, he's trying to help you to get into heaven or something in my chat. And I was like, I'm going to heaven because I'm a Christian. But you know who I'm not going to see there? And then I said Muslims. But I said that as a joke because I was just joking, even though it's not funny. But yeah, I offended a lot of people by saying that. But technically, me being a Christian, I believe that, right? All Christians believe that. Well, I wouldn't be offended by you saying that actually, right? Because you have like, if you think like if you saw me eating bacon, you'd be like

Oh, she's going to hell, right? No, no, you wouldn't think that. No, I wouldn't do that. But still, I don't see an issue with the statement you made, like to just say, okay, like in your belief, essentially that you're a Christian, therefore you don't, you believe you'll be in heaven, which is what Christians believe. If you believe Jesus died for your sins, that you're saved, right? You have salvation. And then you say, okay, according to your belief, that Muslims are not going to be in that same place. They're not going to be in heaven, right? So, you're not going to see there. But you said it in a joking way. Maybe that's what offended people, right? But I'll say that. I'll be honest. That's not one of the things that would be like, okay, yeah, let's, you know, get upset about over this and, you know, cancel, as they say, like this guy over here or something, cancel this individual. Yeah, she got canceled. She definitely got canceled. No, no, no, some. I wouldn't say that, but yeah.

It depends unless you said something else as more context to it what you told me so far. I don't see like a big issue with it but yeah so you believe you're going to heaven. I'm really surprised you do believe you're going to heaven though. You're surprised? No, no. Yeah, yeah, I am. I'll tell you in a second way but you do believe you're going to heaven. I'm scared. Um, yeah because I've accepted Jesus Christ into my heart and I believe that most things that I like do I can get what is called like Redemption for like if I just what is it called the word repentance. Repentance. She wants to say repentance. There you go. Yes, okay. And he, Jesus forgives, right? He always forgives. Who forgives? Jesus. Jesus forgives. But that but that makes no sense though. But can I ask you do you believe that Jesus died for your sins? Yes. Does that include the past and future sins? Past my past? Yes. All everyone's past and future sins essentially? Yes. He

died for the sins of humanity, right? Why would you repent? It's forgiven. Well, because I know I shouldn't. There's like right and wrong things, and I'm obviously going to continue to sin. And if I do sin and I mess up, I know that he would forgive me. Because how do you know that? Because it's the go. I'm all right. I'm gonna say that if Jesus died for the sins of humanity, past and present, then that means that there are no more sins to be forgiven because he died for them already. Everyone is forgiven. So if I commit a sin, it's already included in what Jesus died for. So I don't need to repent according to Christianity then, yeah. But I mean, then that's to say that everyone would just do shitty things all the time. Exactly. And I believe that's why a lot of people do shitty things all the time, and then they just say, Jesus, that's for my SS. I'm going to heaven. No, there's a difference though. Like, okay, what's the

difference. I could accidentally just mess up because I'm human and I just freak up, but I know like sometimes what is it um like humans, what do they have in themselves like they just give into temptation or they have Temptation and desires, yeah, yeah, desires, all that [ __ ] and like obviously you're just going to have a moment of weakness and you just mess up and you just accidentally gave into it, but like if you do it knowing like I feel like you knew what was what you were doing was wrong and then you do it anyways. I mean, you could sit there and say that Jesus is going to forgive you, but you also know that you're doing something wrong and you're just taking doing wrong. Almost everyone is doing something wrong. They know they're doing something wrong in in very rare cases and situations, clinically insane, you know, you already, you know, you're doing something wrong when the some when when the person is doing something wrong, they know this is wrong. Yeah, I guess I mean I've also heard that

It's not about intention, so I guess you're right. But like, hey, I don't know. So if I said, I'm a Christian today. I'll do whatever I want. Jesus died for sins. I already believe he's the Lord and all of this stuff, okay? But I'm going to do whatever I want to do, then what is the issue? Because he died for the sins. Yeah, but it's all about, I mean, if you live that way, then you can live that way, and at the end of your life, you know you're going to get judged. And if you genuinely felt that way, then that's up to you and him. But I don't think that I live my way that or my life that way, so. But judge, judge for what? I'm trying to get it because the sins are already forgiven, right? So what am I going to be judged for? But maybe it's past and present. I don't know. I'm just, that's just the way I think. So how does it work? So how does it work? You guys are putting me or like, no.

no, no, no. I want you to ask as well. I just found it. The reason I told you that is because I hear a lot of Christians saying we're going to heaven, and surprisingly, when I read the Bible, I saw that the Bible says all the Christians, most Christians, if not all the Christians today, are in reality, they do not know Jesus, and they don't really believe in Jesus in the right way. How? If you read the Bible, 1 John, right, chapter 3, it mentions that anyone who sins has not known Jesus or seen him. If you continue in sin, uh-huh, you're not a real Christian, essentially. You're a child of the devil. And it says, Whoever that has Jesus in him, he cannot sin. So, I'm thinking, okay, if the Bible says that and the Christians say it says, Whoever is born of God cannot commit sin, it says that word for word. You can open it, by the way, right now and read. You want to open it up and have the Bible? Oh, no, no, him, him. You don't own a Bible. I'm just kidding. I

do wait let's actually grab it. Wait, I feel like that's weird if I do that. Never mind. Anyway, oh, you can open it up. He can open it up and maybe share the screen or something if you want. Is it you don't have a Bible? Okay, now I have to prove that I have one. Look at her go. Is she good sweater? She put on a good sweater. We should keep it a little lower. Yeah, don't try to go, you know, a little lower. I forgot you headphones on. I thought you walked away. No, he feels I'm a bit maybe like direct to direct with you or something. Oh no, I don't mind. I'm a twit or a kick streamer. I have I face a lot already as it is. Okay, where am I going, John? You said yeah, yeah, that is going to be the last question, by the way, because I don't want to put you on the Bible. You can ask me anything about Islam if you like. Yeah, it's one John, which is first John basically one.

John chapter 3. I believe and go to verse four. I think start from I don't really know where it is in the Bible so let me open the yes the letter of Peter one John Etc. Oh so it's like towards the end right New Testament yeah not the Old Testament you this now okay yeah I saw Peter oh I found it okay okay after you guys are scaring me this is like a test in its own right now finding this thing you guys are muted silly Bas okay I'm here what am I looking for you're still muted is that John are we good yeah is that that's the King James version um I don't which one one is okay whichever one is okay it's one John uh chapter 3 mhm then you have verse four can you read what verse four says um how can someone be born when they are old that one uh you have first John chapter three so there's two John's yeah there's first one John there's two John I'm opening the

glossary. Is it the gloss? I think you can move away from this. It's okay. People can just do research on it unless you really want to read it up to want to read it. Yeah, you can find it then. Okay, I will find it and we will continue this. Just give me some time. I'm rotating right now. What is one? Why doesn't it say what page it starts on? It's this one basically. Okay, let's just read it. Oh, why are you closing it? I just, I just opened the link, right? One second here. Let's get the full thing. You can read it if you want. Read from four. If you go to four, this is a Christian website, Bible Gateway. Okay, 1 John chapter 3. You read from verse 4. Everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins, and in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen

him or known him, so the people continue, continue. It's not done. It's actually, I know where you're going to go, more detailed. It's actually more detailed, yeah. Dear children, do not let anyone who leads you astray. The one who does what is right and righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them. They cannot go on sinning because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are. Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. I like this. The Bible's good. I like that. I agree with this. Well, most of it, but yeah. So the idea there is basically if you know Jesus and if

you're born of God. If you're a child of God, you cannot continue to commit any sins because Jesus is in you. And if you do, then that means that you are not a child of God, you're a child of the devil. So why are you surprised that Demi said that she thinks she's going to go to heaven? She is not. That's because, I mean, if someone reads the Bible and reads these verses and he's committing sins, I wouldn't be thinking I'm going to. But how was she sinning? Sorry, how was Dam s? Oh, I don't know her personal life specifically, but I'm saying to from us, from a Muslim's point of view, us saying we're going to heaven is already boo being boostable in a way, right? Thinking that you've got everything guaranteed, that it doesn't matter. Okay, how do you know what you're going to die upon? Maybe today, even if Christianity was the truth, and if you die as a Christian, you go to heaven. How do you

don't tomorrow. You're not going to become an atheist for something else to say by 100% certainty. I'm going to heaven in Islam. You cannot do that. If you die as a Muslim, you go to heaven. Yes, but how do you know you're going to die as a Muslim? Yeah, but it's not like being literal. You could say like in a week from now I'm going to Africa, but you could die tomorrow. Yes, yeah, then you will not go to Africa. Yeah, you're not, but how you, you don't know, but in your mind you're doing everything to get yourself into heaven and you're practicing everything that you're practicing and living your life the way you want to live it so that you can eventually ultimately get to heaven. But I'm, yeah, I don't know. I could tomorrow just start my villain story and just go crazy and just, that's it. Hopefully don't do that. No, I'm not, but I'm just saying, you know, you never know. Yes, so that's what I'm, that's what I was

saying essentially that's the Islamic position is you say okay I'm trying my best of course to go to heaven right but we wouldn't say essentially as a Muslim I'm going to heaven or you wouldn't also say this specific person is going to Hellfire because if you say a person can change a person can we cannot say the specific person is going here or there you asked about the sin how is it from the Muslim perspective no one dies for our sins in Islam we're responsible for what we do if Jesus was innocent then how can an innocent person be punished for what I do I should be punished for what I do because I'm the one who did the evil the innocent person should not be punished for what I did right so how do you guys believe you guys are GNA get into heaven judge from our actions and what we do and our decisions so you guys are not supposed to eat pork so if you eat pork then what happens well just accordingly like uh based off everything we do if we do more Good

Deeds than bad. Deeds then most likely we're going to make it to Janna. Yeah, so essentially there's commands of God, there's minor sins and major sins. If you avoid the major sins, Allah forgives your minor sins. If you do your obligations, you pray, you do things the way Allah commanded you to do them. If you do a major, you can repent. Repentance means you have to stop, not do it again, have no intention of returning to that sin tomorrow or next time, and have actual regret in your heart from doing that sin. Now, how do we attain Paradise? It's actually by doing as much good as we can in that way. When we die, we've not done many good, we've not done a lot of bad, we've done more good than we did bad, and through that, we attain God's mercy. So, God, He forgives us because we did our best, and then we go to... sounds like very similar to the way I feel like Christians live. No, no, but the difference

is like uh in we know a lot of Christians like this. They'll do a lot of uh, they'll sin quite a bit. They, and at the end of the day, it's like, Oh, Jesus saves me. They'll sin publicly, they'll do things that they know are wrong, but Jesus will save me because I believe in Jesus in my heart of hearts. It's not really the Judgment of your actions and judging the fact that we all have free will. It's just the professing that Jesus will save me is enough to make it into heaven. We don't believe that. But if you're only doing good things so that you can make it into heaven, I feel like that also doesn't really sound valid. Like, Oh, I ate like, if I ate pork, that's minus 25 whatever points. Points, yeah. And then it's like, Okay, well now I'm gonna pray three times a day so that I can have plus 75. Well, you just said that you can't, you can't pray, you can't commit a sin thinking that you're going

to pray it off, you have to actually regret, and you actually have to go forward and not do it again. You have to stop. What I'm saying is that if you're only doing it so that you can, like, you're only doing the good stuff now because you're only going to heaven as well, it's not only going to heaven because we, as Muslims, also, of course, you have a relationship with God, right? You love God. You want to be connected with God. Not only that, the greatest reward we get in Paradise, as Muslims, is to see God. Actually, if anything in this life is beautiful, then the source of beauty is the creator, is God. H, and the greatest reward we believe we'll get as Muslims is to actually see God in parties. So, it's not necessarily just that. There is, of course, a connection with God that is there, but these are incentives, and human beings work on incentives and work on warnings as well. That's how we function. That's why in society you have laws or you have, okay.

you work, you get money as an incentive. You do a crime, you get a punishment as a warning, right? So, this is how we function as human beings, right? And the Creator, based on how we are as human beings, has put this in front of us. I agree. Okay, you agree? Yeah, I agree with what he said, that we live. Yeah, so you know what? What about God? Like, how do you see God? As Muslims, for instance, we believe there is one Creator, one God. We believe that God is not a man or a woman, so we believe Allah is not a man, is not restricted by gender. That's why we don't say Jesus is God or Prophet Muhammad is God or Moses is God. We don't say any human being is God. See, God is beyond our conception and imagination. Whatever we can think about God is beyond that, right? You don't picture like a man. You picture... What do you picture? Do you picture a man when you picture God? Well, I picture like Jesus Christ and

then like the way that I picture him is just like how most people perceive him, like the man with the long hair and like beard, but I know he's not supposed to be a man. Like, I don't think that they say that about him either, even though they say that Jesus, he died, then he must have been a man. He was Mortal. I swear I've seen somewhere where it's like, like the way it's phrased in the Bible that like he was a man, but like he wasn't a man. Like he was in the form of a human, but he wasn't actually a man. Like he was just like the human. There's something called the hypothetic union is what you're talking about. The hypothetic union is that they say he's fully man, fully God. They don't say he wasn't a man, but they say he was two things in one. We say from our perspective that doesn't make any sense to us, but the Christian position is that he's 100% man in the same time he's

100% God. The Bible says, for example, or Paul in this case. He would say there's one intermediate, and then he says the man Jesus Christ. So, he calls him a man, right? He's called a man explicitly in the Bible. He's never called God explicitly. He never says, I'm God in the Bible. That doesn't occur anywhere. But he is explicitly called a man. They do say Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light. Yeah, of course, this is John 14:6 kind of quotation. But okay, if Jesus is the way, if I take the way this way here to get to the mall, the way is not the mall, is it? So, if Jesus is the way to God, then he's not God because he's the way to God. If you're the way to something, you're not the destination. Yeah, but he could just be like a particle of him. Like, do you believe God is physical in that sense, that is made of particles, and you can have part? That would be, that was just like a synonym. Yeah, whatever, metor.

I'm stupid, but like I think it's just like, wasn't he just, I don't know, I feel like I don't know enough to speak on this. I wish I was well-versed. Why these conversations are good. Yeah, you see, you know, in Christianity, if you say God is made of parts, they call that a heresy. It's called partialism, right? Can Google it if you right now if you like. It's basically, you cannot say God is made of parts. God's not like you can divide him and this part and that part. No, don't. Yeah, I don't think that either. I think just like, I don't even know how to explain it. Just like he was just put on Earth and then he was, let me ask, let me ask a different question maybe, right? So about the identity of Jesus. As Muslims, we believe Jesus was chosen by God as a prophet, as a messenger of God, to deliver a message to the people about God, tell them about God, tell them what is good, tell them what is bad, to avoid

tell them to connect to the Creator and worship God Alone, just like the other prophets and Messengers did. This is our position on Jesus, just like Prophet Muhammad did. We don't worship Prophet Muhammad, don't worship any human beings, worship the Creator alone. So when you look at Jesus, for example, you see, you picture Jesus when you pray. If you picture Jesus when you pray as he is God, then can God pray to someone else? The God that you pray to is praying to someone else. Does that make any sense? Yeah, but didn't no other Prophet turn water to wine and all this other stuff? Stuff prophets perform Miracles, yeah. Do you know of any other Prophet that played the sea other than Moses? Do you know any other Prophet who had an ark other than Noah? They have unique Miracles as prophets. Actually, I didn't Noah. This is all these are the prophets that are in the Bible as well. And then, uh, I did. I mean, in the Bible, Jesus did pray. So if Jesus Is God, who is he? Who is

Jesus praying to. I wish I knew how to like say what I'm trying to say but like he was like. I feel like he was just trying to live his life like he was human like he did all things like he tried to be one with how a human person was and then so the prayer was just an act not an act but like I don't know. I feel like just doing everything that a human was doing but in like to understand how humans are in a sense yeah. Christians essentially say that he took on a human form so he can relate to the people right. He Rel. I'm I'm saying generally what Christians generally say. I think that's what you're trying to say as well right is that he took a human form so he can relate to the creation to the people in a way that is relatable right. He's a human like us Etc right but the fact the reason we worship God is because he's not like us. The whole reason you worship the Creator is because he's not like us and if the

Creator ever becomes like us, then he's no longer worthy of our worship because he's a human like us now. So, if the Creator ever becomes a human being, he's no longer God because whatever we call God is the all-knowing, omniscient, omnipresent, and all-powerful. All of that, he's no longer God. But wouldn't you relate to somebody more who is more like you than some of you? So, I don't think that's anything that's bad if he was at one point. I agree with you, but that's why Allah sends prophets and messengers as humans so we can relay and follow their example. They're humans like us. That's what even Allah says in the Quran, that we didn't send them an angel because if we were to send them an angel, they would say, That's a perfect being. We cannot follow perfect beings, right? So, Allah sent a human being, a prophet, a messenger, and we can imitate and learn and see they're the best of the human beings. We can look at them and

imitate their behavior, but God himself. I'm saying if he ever turns into anything other than God, he's no longer worthy of our worship. Okay, yeah. What do you disagree with that? That last part, that like if he became anything like human, that he wouldn't be. Why do you worship God? Let me ask this question. Why do you worship God? Um, I don't know, because he's died for my sins. So you were talking before about the selfish thing of going to Paradise because you're doing good to go to Paradise, but it's the same thing to say, I worship God because he did something for me. That for my. Isn't that the same thing? Yeah, yeah. So what I'm trying to say, she's getting distracted. It's okay. Okay, I'm not. I'm just dumb and I. No, you're. I mean, you're smart enough to ask these questions. A lot of people are so ignorant, they don't even want to go and seek the truth. The fact that you're

even in this position, having this conversation proves we are not dumb. Yeah, plus we were like, we're not looking. Let's make this clear as well for anyone listening. Like, we're not looking at you like you are like a Christian Authority scholar or something like that, right? And like you're representing Christianity. She's a new Christian too. She found Christianity like seven months. And if you say something wrong now, oh, we defeated Christianity. We're not trying to. It's not. That's not what we're doing, right? We're just having conv. Gonna happen. No, no, no, it's not. That's why I'm making it clear from my side, not from your side. No, I know. I'm not saying that either of us are doing this. I'm just saying that there's definitely a Christian in chat right now. Like, why isn't she saying this or something? Well, because you're new to Christianity. You don't know all the answers. And to be honest, I've spoken to Christians who have been born with it, and they've done

a lot of studying, and they say the same things, so I don't even think that your rhetoric is that off from most Christians. It's not facts. There you go. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so this is like the message of Islam is really simple, right? It's about connecting with God, like you believe, right? It's about connecting with the Creator through the messengers of God that come. They give the message to the creation, right? We believe Jesus. We believe in him. We believe in that Mary gave the Virgin birth. We believe he was the Messiah. Believe in Moses. Believe in Abraham. Believe in David. Most of the prophets that you may have heard about, we believe in them. We don't have. We say peace be upon all of them, right? And if a Muslim doesn't believe in Jesus, Moses, or Noah, etc., he's not a Muslim. You have to believe in all of them, not just believe, say, I believe only in Prophet Muhammad. You can't. You have to believe

in all of the prophets and messengers of God cannot reject any of them, right? And their message was similar, that ship one God alone, like Jesus taught people to worship the Creator alone, not to associate partners with him. Jesus didn't say to the people, Come worship me, pray. When you pray, imagine me, picture me. He never said to the people that. In fact, when he taught people that the prayer, the Heavenly Father prayer, Our Father in Heaven, he, it's all about God. It's not about him. Like, his name is not mentioned, anything about him is not mentioned. He doesn't say to the people, Pray to me at all. He said, Pray to the Creator alone, worship him alone. And this is the message of Islam, same message of prophet Muhammad, same thing. That's a good. I never realized that about our Father who art in heaven, be thy name. It is all about Father. It's all will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Yeah, that seems like, wait, so why do you guys worship God? That's an excellent question because the

creator has the attributes that are worthy of worship. He's the most beautiful when talking about beauty. He's the most merciful. He's the most powerful. He's the most wise. We worship him because he created us. He's a Creator, right? He has these perfect attributes that are worthy of worship. So, if he does not have these perfect attributes, then he's not worthy of worship anymore. He's not God. Whatever we call God is that when a human thinks of God, he thinks of that being that has the control over the creation or everyone, the one who gives life and takes life away, the one who knows everything, right, the one who protects you. This is how we think when we say God. So, whoever doesn't have these attributes, we'd be like, Okay, that's not God. Like, that's why you wouldn't worship a friend of yours or another human being walking around in the street, you know. That's just another human being like you, right? That's why we say, for example, to other religions, Okay, we ask them, 'Okay, why would you worship a

cow. Why would you worship a tree? Why would you worship an idol? These are things that are made, that are created, that are like you in a way, right? What would, why would you worship these things? We say we worship the Creator because he's the one worthy of worship. So, when we look at, that's why as Muslims we say, you look at, we look at Jesus or Prophet Muhammad. Let's use Prophet Muhammad as an example. We say Prophet Muhammad is a human. We're humans. Prophet Muhammad is not worthy of our worship. Only Allah is worthy, the Creator. Allah is the Arabic word for God, by the way, that even Christians use, the Arab Christians use it, which means the Creator God, right? The one who created everything. Which is funny in the UK right now, they're protesting like, Who is Allah? Who the [ __ ] Allah just means god in Arabic. Yeah, if they went to like, same thing as um, yes, no, wait, is it yes, Yeshua? Yeah, who says that? No, so you got, you got for example

Elohim, uh, Adonai, all of these are Hebrew, yeah, yeah, all, all of these are Hebrew words that refer to God as well, right? You use them to refer to God, yes, or if you speak Spanish, you'll say Dios, for example. If you speak, depends, uh, if you speak maybe Japanese, you'll say Kami. It depends which word you use in the different language, but all of them mean the same thing. They just mean God, right? Well, you refer to the Creator, the one who created everything, but, uh, yeah, so the one that we believe is worthy of worship is that because he's the one who made us, and he's the one who will judge us. You mentioned judgment. A human being is not going to judge me because he's also going to die. He's going to be in his grave. He cannot resurrect himself. The Creator is the one who will resurrect everyone, and he will bring them to judgment. He's the one who will hold people accountable because he's all-powerful. He's able to punish

people. He's able to reward, to reward people. He's able to be merciful and forgive people because these are his attributes. But without any of that, then that thing, whatever that thing is that doesn't have these attributes, that lacks these attributes, is no longer worthy of worship. That's why I believe Jesus was worshiping that Creator, MH. So in Matthew, for example, 26, when he went in the Garden of Gethsemane, he fell on his face. By the way, how this is how Muslims pray, you fall in your face. And he prayed to God all night, and he said, Oh God, take the crucifixion away from me. He doesn't want to be crucified. And can you imagine God saying to, I don't know, to who, Take the crucifixion away from me. Yeah, no, I can't. I mean, I could at the same time because that's my beliefs, right? Question, yeah, yeah. It's just, look, it's just something to think about, right? All of this is just some things to

consider some things to think about right when someone is reading the Bible and he sees for instance these verses about Jesus. He doesn't know something right. He says no one knows the hour except God, the who he refers to as the father. He says no one knows the day and the hour, not the angels in heaven, not the son. Then he says only the father knows. So if only the Father Knows, then how can I say Jesus is God when he's saying something else knows what he doesn't know, right? So then Christians say but they're all one, the Trinity. You know, you heard probably about the Trinity, but if they're all one, how can one know and one doesn't know? I thought they're all one because he came in the form of human. So who is he praying to up in heaven if he came? But she said earlier he, he's acting like he's a human to relate to humans. No, but I'm saying so what wasn't Earth? Was it God or was it something else? Because like if

he knew if he just had all like the power in the form of a human, then he would have just like not made things happen or like you know what I mean. He would have just been casting [ __ ] and like doing things like just fixing things, but he didn't. Weren't you talking because he was doing before? Yes, that's to get some people on board, right? To know like, Oh, okay, like he actually, he's like that. Yeah, he's like that. Yeah, so it. Yeah, so all the prophets of God did these miracles, but it wasn't them that because they're God, but because God was doing it through them. But I just want to understand from your perspective when he was walking in your mind. Do you think that this was God working or this was something that wasn't God, God, someone else? No, I think that was. But you're saying that they're not supposed to think of them as parts, but I just think like he could just have a spawn, right? Or is

you're not supposed to think that I don't know the like he just like a creation yeah like he just had not a part of him but like him in human form and like he was he did pretty much everything to come up as like a human and all this stuff and then everything led into him dying like he obviously knew he was going to die I mean he didn't but he did at the same time he was told by God he was told by God but yeah but he was told by God but he was God but okay but but you know when when he was walking if you say just it's all to think about right if he was God and he was working as God on Earth then who is he communicating with Heen asking help from from himself or from something else from himself but in his true form okay so on Earth it was in himself in his true form no in human form I don't know what I'm saying I'm gonna keep it at [ __ ] to be real that

mean like this is how all Christians that have spoken to about this. This is how they all explain it. Like, is what you say they get stuck or do they have the answer? Who's that one guy? What guy? That there's that one like Christian guy who speaks like on the street and stuff. I feel like he just knows everything. There's no way you've never seen that TikToker. He's not a TikToker, but he lectures college students and stuff. Yeah, he's a... isn't he like a preacher? Yeah. I mean, they explain it the same way, but you know, in more flowery language. I mean, that's what you believe. You believe that God sent himself in human form. It's just... but the... that's... this is why I never fully resonated with Christianity growing up is because it never... never fully made sense to me. And Islam makes sense to me right there. Nothing wrong with Christianity. I think it's much better to believe in Christianity than to be an atheist. But I feel complete

logic when I pray to just the one God. There's nothing. There's no Holy Spirit. Even that we haven't even spoken about that. If we're saying the Trinity is these three: Father, Son, then the Trinity should be equal. Then the Holy Spirit should be equal in the Trinity. What is the Holy Spirit? That's something I never understood, and to this day never. But isn't the Trinity all one? It's a Trinity, but it's all one and all equal as well. So, is the Holy Spirit equal? God is the Son equal to the Father? How could a Son equal to... I'll tell you the Trinity, and you tell me what you think, like the Christians say, by the way, right? And if you've got Christians, they can confirm in the chat or something, right? So, this is a Trinity. Let's see if they confirm or not. They say God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the Son. The Son is not the Holy Spirit. Three persons in one being, and they're co-equal, meaning

they're all equal with each other, and they're co-eternal, meaning they're all Eternal in the same way. That's what the Trinity is. Now, let's see if anyone disagrees first before I say anything else. No, that is a three, right? That is the description of the Holy Spirit according to the creeds. Yeah, they're agreeing. I don't know my child, true. Yes, yes, the Christians here, they will agree because it is, of course. So, if I say God the Father, okay, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit. Is this one or three? One. This is one. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit because they're all fully God, 100% God by themselves. So, the Father is 100% fully God because not the Son, but the Son is not the Holy Spirit, but they're all one. CU, they're all one because one isn't the other one, just like, okay, just like you could be one thing but not the other thing, right? What

can you give me an example that I could be Christian but I could not be. That doesn't mean I'm Catholic, but we're all Christian, right? There you go, solved it, easy peasy. Next, but you're saying if you're a Christian but not Catholic, that means Christian is different from Catholic, right? Christian isn't being Catholic. Catholic can you Cath is Christian. Okay, sorry, but being Catholic is still being Christian. So, are you Christian and Catholic, or are you not Christian and Catholic? I'm not Catholic, but I'm Christian. So, you are Christian. I know what you're gonna say now, but yeah, am I gonna say you tell me then so that I'm not all of them at the same time? Yes, yes, but um, that was just as an example though. Do you have any other example that would work in reality? No, because you could be Christian or you could be Catholic. Let's just say I was okay, but that then I would be, I don't know, I feel like I got to.

sleep. I got to sleep on this one. I'll come back and cook. Yeah, yeah, just okay. This is the thing. We just say, but this is what I want. The most important thing I think we all should do research, right? We all should investigate. We all should read, and through that, you will find the truth. The Bible itself says, Seek the truth, and the truth will set you free. So we cannot, for instance, rely on say, Okay, I watch this professor or this person. Sne cannot just rely on me or this person, that person, say, That's why I'm a Muslim, right? He's got to do his own research, and he's been doing his own research. That's why he actually accepted Islam, because he did research. He spoke with different people about Islam, did a lot of reading, and yeah, and then he did reading. He read the Quran, etc. He did reading when it comes to the Bible. I think if people do investigation, and they wouldn't just say, I just believe, for instance, or this person, he knows how to explain it.

because in the end, if I say I'm definitely going to heaven, but I'm not sure about the exact details of what I believe, I think that could be also an issue, right? Yeah, yeah. So this is the thing. I read the Bible, for example, and that's why I say to the people, Okay, why don't you pick up a copy of the Quran? Just pick up a copy and then read it. It's free on many websites. If you just go to freequran.com, you probably find one. So it's like free. You can be posted to you. Even people can just read it, pick up, read it. So you think you... I'm not saying that sounds rude. So do you believe that you know everything there is to know, or do you think that there's constantly more to learn? There's always more that we need to always seek knowledge. I think I know enough to decide where the truth is, but I don't know everything, of course. I need

to learn every day as everyone does, but I know enough to decide why I believe what I believe is the truth and why, for instance, another faith is not true, which is very important. So, if someone were to ask me why X religion is not true, I will be giving them reasons why it's not true. If someone asks me why Islam is the truth, for instance, I will give reasons why it is the truth. What you laugh at, I just C astray. I feel like, 'cause like he's saying that I'm like, I feel like I don't know, and I'm saying that I do believe in it, and I don't know, right? Something to think about, but I can't. I definitely couldn't be Muslim because I know nothing about Islam. So, becoming Muslim is as simple as professing, like, believe. Do you believe that there's one God? Yes. I mean, that's like, that's the first step. That's like the core tenet of Islam, is that we worship one God. It's the only monotheistic

Religion isn't that what Christians believe, right? No, you just said it's three. No, but I think it's three, but it's all one. But would they believe, okay, I'll ask you this question, right? If they're all one, if they're all one, who do you believe died on the cross? Should be all of them. No, I don't know if Jesus only died because the Bible. He did not resurrect himself. It was the Father resurrected him. So if only Jesus died, then how are the old one one dies, that the rest doesn't die? Because he died in human form, so he didn't die. I mean, he didn't because he got resurrected, right, technically. Well, if he was dead for three days, then God. God was dead for three days. God. God was dead. God died for three days. So who resurrected God when he died for three days? God. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. That that's like so the first steps of becoming Muslim are just professing that so we don't associate any partners.

there's none of this confusion that you're professing now. I'm not saying you need to become Muslim. Obviously, if you're okay with Christianity, that's well. Jesus died, not God. Well, you just pray to Jesus, and Jesus is God. I mean, yes, but yeah, but I wouldn't say if you're okay with Christianity. I would say you do the research, and you find the truth, right? And the purpose of this discussion is not for me to say, Okay, right now, okay, this is how you become Muslim. Say after me this, this. This is not the purpose, right? The purpose is to see, Okay, do we know what we believe? Should we do some reading? We do investigation generally as people, right? Because it's about awareness first, and secondly, about finding the truth just generally. That's the main reason. So, being Muslim, you don't know enough about Islam. Being Muslim is to believe in one Creator, all the prophets of God, that they're prophets, they're not God themselves, and God is just one who sends

prophets. These prophets are not God. They're not one with God. They're not God, etc. This is the message of Islam. If someone were to believe that and believe in Prophet Muhammad, of course, peace be upon him, and all of the previous Messengers, peace be upon all of them, then that person is essentially a Muslim. Is he just confesses that and then testifies it? He just becomes Muslim, okay? And it's not even that big of a step from Christianity. Like, if you believe, do you believe Jesus was a, was a, he sent the message of God and he was trying to tell the world about the Creator, a message of God, yes, but yeah, that's what we believe. So, it's not even that big of a leap, you know? It's, I think, from where you are, it's just disassociating with the idea of the confusion of the Trinity.

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The speaker introduces their friend Muhammad Ali, who provides advice on Islam.

They discuss a past controversial joke made by the speaker about Muslims, which offended some people.

The conversation then shifts to the speaker's beliefs about salvation and repentance in Christianity, leading to a debate on the need for repentance if Jesus died for everyone's sins.

The Role of Sin and Judgment in Christianity

The speaker questions the logic of living sinfully after accepting Jesus' sacrifice for sins, pondering the meaning of judgment.

They reference 1 John 3, which states that those who continue to sin do not truly know Jesus and are not His children.

The conversation highlights the importance of living righteously as a reflection of a genuine relationship with God.

The Islamic Perspective on Sin and Salvation

In Islam, being a child of God means one cannot continue to commit sins, as Jesus is believed to be in them.

The assurance of going to heaven is seen as problematic, as no one can guarantee their fate after death.

Islam emphasizes personal responsibility for one's actions, with the belief that repentance and doing good deeds are key to attaining God's mercy and ultimately reaching paradise.

The speaker discusses the Islamic belief in one God, who is not restricted by gender and beyond human conception.

They contrast this with the Christian belief in Jesus as both fully man and fully God, questioning the logic of Jesus being the way to God if he is also God.

The speaker emphasizes the unique miracles of different prophets and raises the question of who Jesus is praying to if he is God, ultimately highlighting the difference in worship between the Creator and human beings.

The speaker argues that if the Creator becomes human, He is no longer God and unworthy of worship.

They emphasize the importance of prophets and messengers being human to provide relatable examples for followers.

The speaker believes that God's perfect attributes are what make Him worthy of worship, and that all prophets, including Jesus, taught the worship of the Creator alone.

The Concept of Worship and the Nature of God

Worship is directed towards the Creator, who is seen as the only one worthy of worship.

The speaker emphasizes that all names for God in different languages refer to the same Creator.

The discussion also questions the nature of Jesus' divinity and his knowledge, highlighting the inconsistency in the concept of the Trinity.

The Complexity of the Trinity in Christianity

The speaker discusses the common explanations of Christianity, particularly the concept of the Trinity.

They express confusion about the equality and relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The speaker emphasizes the importance of personal research and investigation in understanding religious beliefs, advocating for seeking the truth.

The speaker emphasizes the importance of seeking knowledge and understanding different religions, suggesting reading the Quran for a broader perspective.

They discuss the core tenet of Islam as the belief in one God and the role of prophets, highlighting the simplicity of becoming Muslim.

The conversation touches on the similarities and differences between Christianity and Islam, particularly regarding the concept of God and the role of Jesus.