Native American Land Rights and Historical Violence Discussion

Human history reveals a relentless cycle of war and conquest, shaping civilization while highlighting our uncivilized instincts.

### The Complex History of Native Americans and Warfare
* 🏞 "If I was ever in office, dude, the Native Americans are getting a **lot of land back immediately**."
* 💼 Native Americans have a history of **conflict and territorial disputes**, both among themselves and with other groups, which complicates the notion of **land restitution**.
* ⚔ The Comanche, for instance, were known for their **warrior culture**, engaging in raids and battles against other tribes, often resulting in **brutal outcomes**.
* 🌍 This historical context raises questions about the **romanticization of Native American culture**, which often overlooks the **violence inherent in their existence**.
* 🦠 Furthermore, the arrival of Europeans introduced diseases like smallpox that **decimated Native populations**, highlighting the **tragic irony** of their warrior status.
* 📜 Historical accounts, including those of Columbus, reveal **horrific acts committed against Indigenous peoples**, challenging the narrative of **discovery and progress**.
* 🌐 The cyclical nature of human conflict is evident throughout history, as **stronger groups have consistently invaded and conquered weaker ones**, a pattern that persists even in modern times.
* ⚡ Despite advancements in civilization, humanity remains entrenched in a **tribal mindset**, with ongoing **violence and warfare** occurring around the world today.

if I was ever in office dude the Native Americans are getting a lot of land back immediately dude well they already have casinos huh they already have casinos yeah but they want casinos I want I want them to have back whatever they want getting back they're getting the rivers

back they're getting the Lakes back they were taking it from each other too dude it's like no I agree everybody act like Native Americans were like everybody's just like whistling and just shaking hands but they were fighting yeah 100% but you would have to figure out like

who owned it like at that time yeah and give it back to them and then you would have to let all those other people try to kill them and get it back cuz if you want to go back to the old ways that's the old ways you want to go back to when

the Comanche ran Texas like okay good luck but you know what the Comanche's favorite thing was doing raiding other tribes they loved that they were gang bangers yeah they were gang bangers they would show up in other tribes and slaughter people and that they wouldn't

just slaughter people they would torture them they would cut their arms and legs off throw them on a pile of fire nobody ever surrendered ever because they knew that there was no leniency you're going to be tortured and killed oh fight to the death 100% fight not being able to

surrender cuz you have no choice but to fight to the death that's the concept of surrender was completely alien to Native Americans they fought to the death and they fought each other to the death and there was battles between all of them and they they conquered and they made

alliances and you know especially Little Big Horn, they all got together and wiped out Custer, but there's so many different tribes that conquered so many different... and you'd have to go back to when, when well you got it, because you killed all these people. Let's go back to the

Algonquins. Let's give it to the Apaches. Let's get like you'd have to figure it out, man. Like this was a this was a tickle a dream to get the truth. This was really like, in some ways other than the violence, it was like a utopian existence.

It was these people followed the buffalo around, ate every part of it, used their skins to make their houses, traveled on horseback, follow them around. They didn't even make art, dude. The the Comanche didn't make art. They didn't make anything. Why? They were just warriors.

Just warriors, eating meat. All they did was eat buffalo and kill everybody else. So if you so so is it weird though that we feel bad about that? Like is that a trap? Like that's what I'm wondering. Does that make does that question make sense to you? Well, that was the way they lived.

You know, I mean, is that better than drone bombs in Yemen? You know, when we sit here comfortably in this Austin warehouse, is it better? Is that better? No, the whole thing is it's that Gaza is going on. It's that they're using these these poor Ukrainians like meat for the

Russian war machine. The whole thing's crazy. It's all bad. But the crazy that was going on back then was a one-on-one crazy. It's a different kind of crazy. It was like there was an understanding that if you saw somebody and they had horses

or they had these, you're going to go kill them and take that thing from them. And if you knew that there was a camp and the camp was over the top of the Ridge and they would be in bed at night, you would come in the middle of the

night and slow slaughter every one. And they did that to each other. They did that to each other, so it was a horrific way of existing. 'Cause sometimes there's this, there's this vision that you, um, romanticize that culture, right? I do that a lot. I romanticize things that I don't

know about, right? Because there just seems like something like, oh, that's romantic or something, you know? These were, this was a culture of Warriors. It was hide-and-seek for real. It was a culture of Warriors, like this whole country was filled with nomadic

Warriors. Yeah, wow. And most of them got killed by smallpox. That's what's crazy. Most of them got killed by the flu and all sorts of diseases that came over with the Europeans. How gay must that have felt, dude? You're a Warrior, right?

Suddenly, you get a sneeze on you at the Depot. You go to the trading Depot to drop off some skins. Some dude sneezes on you, and that's a wrap. Yeah, you're like, you've been training all day, dude. Some

guy just doesn't wash his feet for half an afternoon or just came here off a boat, stinky. Was breathing air and drinking water, you know? Like, you imagine the hygiene on those boats. Oh, Columbus, it was like the first Burning Man, dude. That place was a dump. Dude, I

heard the penta didn't even have any chicks on it dude it's like there's an example Columbus is an example could you have done it I mean probably if you lived back then that would have been a thing to do because you would have been

bored but you're in the it's early morning you would have wanted to try you would have wanted to try to see what it looks like to go across the ocean if you were a young man and you just needed something in your life and you knew the dudes did

it and you just eat beef jerky for three months and you make it across the ocean and when you get to the other side is there's Gold Everywhere they didn't even know where they were yeah but if you read the accounts there was a a priest

that traveled with them some sort of religious man that traveled with them that kept like a detailed Diary of their the horrific things that Columbus' men did they bashed babies on the Rocks they yeah yeah yeah they told certain men that they had to give they had to give

them their weight in gold and if they did they would chop dude's arms off in front of everybody they enslaved these people and used them for their gold cuz these people had no use for gold they didn't know how valuable gold was you mean when they got to the Americas

exactly exactly yeah people they just slaughtered people they just slaughtered people dude there's horrific depictions of what Columbus's people did we were romanticize nature so much and it's really vulgar isn't it well it's just humans have always done this

to each other and for all of human history, the strong groups of men with weapons invade people that aren't prepared, and they take all their stuff and they conquer them. And it's always happened. It's it's the the most common thing if you go back and look at history.

There's a bunch of common things. There's um an increase in the complexity of architecture and the design of the cities. There's machines. There's all these different things improve, but along the way, the consistent thing is war. It's constantly happening from the beginning

of time, as early as we know, tribes were battling other tribes. And back then when there wasn't that many people, wasn't that many resources, and you were competing to see whose genes spread. It's just natural. He developed tools and weapons, and then that's ingrained in our

DNA. So here we are in 2024 with iPhones 16s and Starlink, and we're still locked into this tribal war mindset because that's how humans evolved, right? And that's the scariest thing about being alive today is that we're so advanced,

we're so much more civilized than at any other point in human history, and yet the same amount of people, if not more, are dying senselessly all the time, right? Like we're civilized on the outside, but there's a part of us that is will always

be uncivilized. Yeah, well, the part of it is war, right? And other parts of the world are not as calm as us. You know, there's parts of the world that are very dangerous. Yeah, they the the the you know, there's places of the world where you

can't go without getting robbed or shot yeah Memphis first of all I'll say that is Memphis that bad Memphis is bad dude that's where Elvis came from huh Is it where Elvis came from and he left it changed Where's Graceland actually Graceland you know what's crazy about Graceland

dude it's in Memphis and it's cool You go out they let you in the backyard after the tour and Elvis's grave is right there you could smoke right in front of Elvis's grave You smoke 17 cm from Elvis's grave or 80 cm That movie that

Elvis movie was so good which one uh the one where Tom Hanks plays the Colonel Did you didn't see that one Oh yeah with that dude what is his name Austin Col what's the the Fell's name that played Elvis Austin Butler Austin Butler is

really good man He nailed it He was really good You really believed that he was Elvis What a crazy story yeah for

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Returning Land to Native Americans and the complexities of historical ownership

Discussion about returning land to Native Americans, considering the existence of casinos.

Acknowledging inter-tribal conflicts and the difficulty of determining original land ownership.

Highlighting the challenges of restoring land and potential conflicts with current inhabitants.

Describing the Comanche's history of raiding and violence against other tribes.

Mentioning the difficulty of determining which tribes should receive land based on historical events.

Analysis of the Comanche culture and its violent nature

Describing the Comanche lifestyle, focusing on their warrior culture and lack of art.

Questioning the modern perspective on the Comanche's actions and comparing them to contemporary conflicts.

Drawing parallels between past and present conflicts, highlighting the ongoing nature of violence.

Describing the direct and brutal nature of conflict between tribes.

Discussing the romanticization of Native American culture and the contrast with its violent reality.

The impact of European diseases on Native American populations

Highlighting the devastating effect of diseases brought by Europeans on Native American tribes.

Illustrating the irony of warriors succumbing to disease rather than combat.

Comparing the unsanitary conditions on European ships to modern festivals.

Discussion of Columbus's voyages and their consequences

Speculating on the motivations of individuals participating in Columbus's voyages.

Mentioning the accounts of a priest documenting the atrocities committed by Columbus's men.

Describing the brutal acts committed by Columbus's crew, including enslavement and murder.

Emphasizing the slaughter of indigenous populations and the contrast with the romanticized view of nature.

The cyclical nature of conflict throughout history

Discussing the historical pattern of stronger groups conquering weaker ones.

Highlighting the consistent presence of war throughout history, despite advancements in other areas.

Connecting the tribal warfare mindset to human evolution and its persistence in modern society.

Contrasting modern advancements with the continued senseless deaths due to conflict.

Discussing the persistence of uncivilized aspects within human nature.

Anecdotes about Graceland and Elvis Presley

Sharing personal experiences visiting Graceland and Elvis's grave.

Mentioning the possibility of smoking near Elvis's grave.

Discussing the movie about Elvis and Austin Butler's performance.