Well, so now what you've got to do is you got to read it real carefully, and you can't be a narrow-minded conservative, and you can't be a narrow-minded liberal. Instead, you've got to allow great fluidity in the text. You've got to acknowledge that a lot of sin is communicated throughout the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation, and then respond wisely and appropriately to whatever the issue is. And the Bible never condones slavery. Exodus 21:7 says, quote, When a man sells his daughter as a slave. What did she do wrong that is comparable to a prisoner or criminal to deserve that? Probably what happened was because most men, fathers, don't sell their daughters. Probably they're facing incredible financial pressure. There's severe debt accumulation, and he is giving his daughter up to an employer who will employ the woman, pay her, put a roof over her head, because he's probably on the brink of starvation and not being able to provide. But if it is referring to a father denigrating his daughter by

selling her into chattel slavery to try and argue from the nature of God is revealed from Genesis to Revelation that that is God's will no way if all we're doing is talking about hey let's give poor people jobs I would think that the almighty all-wise governor of the universe would find a way to convey that message that doesn't include statements like you shall buy your slaves from the Heathen that surround you and if a man shall sell his daughter to be a maid servant she shall not go out as the menservants do you wouldn't set up different rules based on the gender of whoever you're giving a job to this is a very Polish and acrid view by Cliff in my opinion of looking at what this actually means without looking at in the context of history or what the passage literally says well Matt I'm so glad to hear you say the context of History Bravo so go back and study how women were treated at that time yeah the

sexism was off the charts. The Bible sanctioned it all right. The Bible doesn't sanction that. The Bible gives instructions and regulations. Meanwhile, something similar happens in Exodus 21 where if the servant comes, you know, you're supposed to be let go, but you're not going to let his wives go. Then he can come forward and say that he loves his master, wants to stay there, and then you drive an awl through their ear to mark them as your property, and he shall be your property forever. This is not indentured servitude, which is, by the way, immoral as well. It just wasn't the topic of conversation tonight. We have done away with indentured servitude. We have done away with debtor's prisons. We've learned a lot since these books were miswritten. Well, Matt, when you say it's immoral, says who? Me, and that's all that matters. That's legitimately all that matters, Cliff, because all you're gonna say is you think God does it. Well, produce the God and have God say it's

immoral and have God defend his case because, until then, like you said earlier, it's just competing opinions. But I thought that we were in agreement that owning people as property was immoral. Yeah.

Matt Dillahunty vs Cliffe Knechtle: Slavery

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